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If you're reading this Mr. Del Toro...... (Regarding casting decisions)
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Shagrat
Gondor

Apr 25 2008, 9:17am

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If you're reading this Mr. Del Toro...... (Regarding casting decisions) Can't Post

PLEASE cast James Cosmo as Thorin....he'd be perfect in every way. If ever a guy was born to play a role it was him.


And no I'm not his agent before anyone asks!Wink

Also this might be a good thread to put in any other casting decisions you think would work. I don't want to put loads as to be honest Cosmo is the only one I feel absolutely certain about. But Julian Sands as Thranduil has always worked for me....


KateTheHobbit
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Apr 25 2008, 5:16pm

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Dwarves [In reply to] Can't Post

Hmm... hadn't thought of that, but it sounds good to me! I've only seen him in a few things (The Chronicles of Narnia is actually the only one I can think of straight off), but I think that just might work! Cool

I've been thinking about possible Dwarves, and I've got myself a little list. I think these guys could each make wonderful Dwarves.
Brendan Gleeson
Ray Winstone
Oliver Platt (IF and only IF he can pull off a half-believable accent)
Timothy Spall (maybe; kinda pushing it perhaps, but he's one of my favorite actors and I think he could probably pull it off, given the proper make-up)
Alfred Molina.
I think I'd had more in mind, but I've forgotten some of them. Laugh

Also, for the voice of Smaug, has anyone here seen Michael Wincott in The Three Musketeers? He's got a very eerie, creepy voice in that. BUT, that's the only thing I've seen him in, so I don't know if perhaps his voice was altered for that, or if he maybe doesn't sound that way anymore.


(This post was edited by KateTheHobbit on Apr 25 2008, 5:18pm)


Foe
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Apr 25 2008, 7:46pm

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I've always liked his voice [In reply to] Can't Post

and that is his normal voice. He's also been in the Crow, Dead Man, and the Count of Monte Cristo. He'd be interesting that's for sure.

After seeing Deadwood, I think Ian McShane would be good too! :)

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LightOfEarendil
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Apr 25 2008, 7:49pm

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Only one wish...or maybe a few [In reply to] Can't Post

Save for Bilbo who obviously needs to be played by a much younger actor than Sir Ian Holm, I truly wish that each and every LOTR actor who will have even just a minor part in the Hobbit movies could return to their old role. Particularly all members of the Fellowship but not only them...

Sir Ian McKellen for Gandalf
Viggo Mortensen for Aragorn if he appears in either film
Elijah Wood for Frodo if he appears in either film -- and even if Frodo doesn't appear in the films, I don't care how you do it, just please cast Elijah! Wink
Sean Astin for Sam if he appears in either film
Billy Boyd for Pippin if he appears in either film
Dominic Monaghan for Merry if he appears in either film
Orlando Bloom for Legolas if he appears in either film
John Rhys-Davies for Gimli if he appears in either film
Sean Bean for Boromir if he appears in either film

Then, should they appear in the films, we also need Liv Tyler for Arwen, Christopher Lee for Saruman (if he's up for it), Hugo Weaving for Elrond and Cate Blanchett for Galadriel.

Oh, and Andy Serkis for Gollum. Wink

And did I already mention that Elijah Wood should have a role too? Wink If not as Frodo, any role would do... And I guess the same goes for the rest of the four lovely hobbitses.

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KateTheHobbit
Bree


Apr 25 2008, 7:57pm

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'nother Dwarf [In reply to] Can't Post

Another actor that'd possibly make a great Dwarf is Kevin McNally. He played Gibbs in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. And I also agree that Ian McShane has Dwarvish-type looks.

It'd be nice if John Rhys-Davies would come back to play a Dwarf. But I believe he's already stated that he doesn't want to do that, on account of how badly he reacted to the prosthetics. I totally respect that decision, though it'd be great to see him again.


In regards to the cast returning for the mysterious second film.... that'd be great!!!! I'd love to see Sean Astin reprising the role of Sam! (yeah, I'm sure you all know by now that Sam's my favorite character. lol) It'd be great to see everyone back again.Smile


Nazgurl
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Apr 25 2008, 9:53pm

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Smaug [In reply to] Can't Post

The character I'm most interested in hearing the casting about is who will voice Smaug.


Oden
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Apr 25 2008, 10:01pm

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For a dwarf... [In reply to] Can't Post

I still would like to see Brian Blessed. His look and voice would be great!


Shagrat
Gondor

Apr 25 2008, 10:04pm

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Michael Wincott [In reply to] Can't Post

I think Michael Wincott's a really underrated actor, with a great voice. He would do very well as Smaug, but I've always envisaged him having an well-spoken British accent. Ian McShane I'm sure would be excellent in this respect.


Kyriel
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Apr 25 2008, 10:46pm

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Funny you should mention Timothy Spall [In reply to] Can't Post

Way back in the First Age of TORN, when all the casting was still very much up in the air, rumor had it that Spall had been cast as Gimli.

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Shagrat
Gondor

Apr 25 2008, 11:08pm

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Aside from Cosmo playing Thorin, I think Brendan Gleeson and Brian Cox would make excellent Dwarves.


KateTheHobbit
Bree


Apr 25 2008, 11:37pm

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Yep! [In reply to] Can't Post


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Way back in the First Age of TORN, when all the casting was still very much up in the air, rumor had it that Spall had been cast as Gimli.



LOL, I know! I'd found an old article about that once. It was thinking back on that that gave me the idea to list him for a Dwarf!Laugh


stormcrow20
Gondor


Apr 26 2008, 12:31am

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Original actors for the White Council [In reply to] Can't Post

In addition to Ian McKellen and Andy Serkis, I would love to see:

*Hugo Weaving as Elrond

*Christopher Lee as Saruman (Has already publicly expressed interest in returning)

*Cate Blanchett as Galadriel (Has already publicly expressed interest in returning)

And if at all possible, Ian Holm as Bilbo.

Am I sounding like a broken record yet? Wink

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meltsar
The Shire

Apr 26 2008, 12:42am

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Ian Holm!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Please please please get Ian Holm to play Bilbo again! I can't imagine anyone else playing that role at this point! And besides, in spite of what some others are saying (that Bilbo should look younger?!), Bilbo should look the same as he did at the beginning of 'Fellowship'!! He stopped aging when he started using the Ring!! I quote Gandalf: "Bilbo... you haven't aged a day..."

Otherwise, judging from past films, I know that Guillermo and Peter will cast this perfectly without our help!!

Still, I can't help wondering where Ron Perlman might pop up... Thorin? Beorn? Smaug...?

Thanks, Guillermo and Peter ~ I'm really looking forward to this!


stormcrow20
Gondor


Apr 26 2008, 12:58am

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I'm also skeptical of Ron Perlman.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Ron Perlman is a great actor, I've enjoyed many of his roles, and he was perfect for Hellboy. However, he has almost become, for lack of a better term, cliché, in fantasy/sci-fi films. I don't want to see him in The Hobbit. Aside from the original cast from Lord of the Rings, I think they should stick to using unknown or lesser-known actors.

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'Take this ring, master,' he said, 'for your labours will be heavy; but it will support you in the weariness you have taken upon yourself. For this is the Ring of Fire, and with it you may rekindle hearts in a world that grows chill.'


Elrond Lover
The Shire


Apr 26 2008, 1:17am

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Cast request for the Hobbit. [In reply to] Can't Post

Hugo Weaving as Elrond, Please!
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meltsar
The Shire

Apr 26 2008, 1:17am

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I think I gave the wrong impression in my post... I'm looking forward to possibly seeing Ron Perlman in a role (he has an interesting history with Guillermo)! Tastefully done, of course (as I know it would be!). I agree with you, though, that lesser known actors are better, in general. That was one of the strong points of the Trilogy: really good, lesser known actors. Recognizable faces can really be a distraction, and pulls your attention out of being immersed in the story!

By the way: Ian Holm as Bilbo!!!!


KateTheHobbit
Bree


Apr 26 2008, 1:37am

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'nother Dwarf, and Ian Holm [In reply to] Can't Post

I've thought of another Dwarf! Stellan Skarsgård, as he appeared in King Arthur. Judging by his general appearance, I wouldn't see it, but he did look rather Dwarvish in King Arthur.

And I am of the camp that thinks Ian Holm MUST return as Bilbo. I know it might be a bit of a stretch.... but it just wouldn't seem *right* if they had someone else. He was used in the prologue on FotR, and he looked perfect for Bilbo then. Surely they can work that out for The Hobbit, with make-up and whatnot to make him look younger.


stormcrow20
Gondor


Apr 26 2008, 1:54am

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Sorry... [In reply to] Can't Post

It was my subject line. I used the word "also" because I mentioned somewhere that I was skeptical of something, so I said "I'm also skeptical of Ron Perlman". I did not intend to imply that you were skeptical, too.

Sorry for the confusion. We're all just so excited, we can't help ourselves! I've noticed typos from people who don't normally make typos, myself included! Blush

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Círdan saw further and deeper than any other in Middle-earth, and he welcomed Mithrandir at the Grey Havens, knowing whence he came and whither he would return.
'Take this ring, master,' he said, 'for your labours will be heavy; but it will support you in the weariness you have taken upon yourself. For this is the Ring of Fire, and with it you may rekindle hearts in a world that grows chill.'


Voorhas
Lorien


Apr 26 2008, 2:55am

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Not to be a drag, but the guy's nearly 80...his appearance aside, would he have the stamina for this kind of a shoot (and the physical requirements of the leading role)? Of course, I'd like to see him involved in some capacity...but whoever plays Bilbo will have to spend a lot of time crawling over rocks and climbing up trees. Demanding stuff.

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(This post was edited by Voorhas on Apr 26 2008, 2:56am)


FutureDirector
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Apr 26 2008, 3:09am

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True, a lot of people seem to agree with this. While the hobbit would not be the same without Ian as Bilbo, the trilogy was filmed almost 10 years ago. It would be very hard stunt wise.

I personally don't count the "Prologue" as canon since it is in a way, someone telling a story, and it can be representive of how the person sees the character. A kind of "Sugarcoated" version of the real story.

I know a few have suggested Martin Freeman as the new bilbo, and I fully support this idea. He seems like a hobbit perfectly, and though he does a lot of comedic roles, he could be serious as times. This is a very difficult casting call, because in the end, no one will be happy even if Ian is recasted (maybe have a cameo similar to the beginning of fellowship when writing the book.)

As for the dwarves... I really have no idea, along with Smaug. Probably the best overall bet is to find unknowns (1-2 movies) like lotr, that way they feel more like the character than "Oh, I know that guy!"


MrCere
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Apr 26 2008, 3:14am

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Would it be ridiculous to post an old link? [In reply to] Can't Post

My casting 2 cents is here . . .

Hope that is okay to post.

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Aerin
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Apr 26 2008, 3:47am

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I seem to be in the (tiny) minority, [In reply to] Can't Post

but I can't see Ian Holm as Bilbo -- sorry. He IS supposed to look much younger in The Hobbit. The ring does not stop his aging, but slows it, and when Gandalf says Bilbo hasn't changed a day, he means since his last visit to the Shire, not since Bilbo found the ring. (After all, even for his brief appearance in the FOTR Prologue, efforts were made to make Ian Holm look younger -- brown wig and a tape "facelift.") If he were to play Bilbo in The Hobbit, I simply would not be able to suspend disbelief enough to buy that this story happened many years before LOTR.

I know everyone thinks I'm nuts, but I'd love to see Elijah Wood as Bilbo. He'd have to be made up to look a bit older, but I always thought there was a "family resemblance" with Bilbo in the movie, and it seems right to me that he play the younger Bilbo.

Otherwise, I'd like to see all the LOTR cast members reprise their roles.


N.E. Brigand
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Apr 26 2008, 4:32am

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Agreed about Holm. [In reply to] Can't Post

Several people on TORN (dating back at least to Morwen here) have suggested that Holm as Bilbo could function as narrator of The Hobbit from his retirement in Rivendell. It might work.

Otherwise, though, Holm is at least too old for the Bilbo portrayed in the book, where Bilbo is 50 years old and arguably should look like a (diminutive) human being of that age. Curiously, it can be argued that in The Lord of the Rings, Bilbo should look younger than he does in The Hobbit. This is because in The Hobbit, there's no indication that 50 is the midpoint of normal hobbit lifespans -- that's a point that Tolkien introduces in the prologue to LotR. So in the beginning of LotR, Bilbo, unaged for 61 years since his acquisition of the Ring at age 50, should look like a 35-year-old human being. I don't think he should look much older when seen at Rivendell halfway through The Fellowship of the Ring: he seems as alert as ever (stays up late, gets up early) and there's no mention of aging. Like Gollum, he probably aged only slowly after losing possession of the Ring, while it survived. However, he ages remarkably after its destruction. (Gollum, had he not fallen with the Ring, would probably have aged to a quick death when it fell into the fire.)

Not being a fan of Wood's performance, I disagree with you there.

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Apr 26 2008, 5:21am

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I'd agree on Frodo, but I agree completely as far as Bilbo is concerned. Ian Holm was a great Bilbo, but every time I see the flashback to the cave when he found the Ring, I think he looks much too old. As Ian Holm has aged another ten years in the meantime, it would simply not work. And I doubt Ian would be up to the exertion of the role. (With Christopher Lee it is different - he'd probably be used mainly for the White Council, and that means sitting around and talking, that's not so strenuous)

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Ataahua
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Apr 26 2008, 5:41am

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Thanks for linking to that! [In reply to] Can't Post

It was good to have a re-read of your speculations.

I believe this was the discussion thread that has made Altaira's list of the 10 most-visited threads on TORN? http://newboards.theonering.net/...cgi?post=91965#91965

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