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dormouse
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Sep 26 2016, 7:12pm
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The business about Beorn only arose for me because there's a sketch in one of the Chronicles books of Beorn carrying Thorin, so it seems that was an idea they they had toyed with and I was curious about how it would have played out. And I like the sketch.
But I think the emotional note they struck with Thorin's death, then the dwarves mourning and Bilbo with Gandalf was pitched beautifully for the film.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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LSF
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Sep 26 2016, 7:21pm
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In the Appendices, when talking about the Bilbo and Gandalf scene, they show the script page of cut dialogue, and it says they watch Beorn carry Thorin away while they talk.
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DainPig
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Sep 26 2016, 8:32pm
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that final Bilbo-Thorin conversation was going to happen in Dale. That's what I've read.
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Ingwion
Lorien
Sep 26 2016, 8:43pm
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But in my opinion it would have been better with a bit less of Azog....
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Sep 26 2016, 9:04pm
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Well here's something to consider
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I honestly can say in the ~20 times I've watched the ROTK, the background battle scenes have never distracted me from the Eowyn - Witch-King duel . If the Thorin-Azog fight was exciting enough we wouldn't be distracted, it wouldn't be crowded and chaotic, even if it did happen in the middle of the battlefield.
I get that you don't like the ice-fight scene, but I totally LOVED it - largely because it was unique. I'd never seen anything like that before. Now, you are right, the Eowyn v WitchKing scene is also fantastic, BUT if PJ had done Thorin v Azog exactly like that, well, I imagine a lot of people would accuse him of repeating himself. Really, I think the Hobbit movies had a bit of trouble with that, anyway, though not enough to put ME off of them. So anyway, this is just a guess on my part, but I think PJ was TRYING to do something different here. Obviously his decision has rubbed a lot of the book fans the wrong way, but IMO the "Last Stand of the Durins" wasn't really described, which IMO gives PJ license to get creative. And as I said earlier, I thought the deaths worked really well for the most part.
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dormouse
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Sep 26 2016, 9:47pm
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I think the snow and ice was a superb design choice....
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..because it created such unusual images. The ice fight itself, but also the streets of Dale - such a sharp contrast to the colour and warmth of Dale as a living city. Overall the way snow always seems to leech the colour our of everything, which worked with the mood of the film.
Then there are some really arresting moments - like the distant image of Thorin standing alone looking over the frozen river, and another - which is one of my absolute favourite frames in the whole six films - of Thranduil standing in the streets of Dale with dead elves all round him, the statue of a deer, and behind him the elf about to blow the horn to call the survivors. The snow and ice really contribute to the effectiveness of those scenes.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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DainPig
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Sep 26 2016, 9:57pm
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I love this aspect of the third film. "The winter is upon us", says Bard. Is like saying "the death is upon us" or "the war is upon us".
"Se mais pessoas valorizassem o lar acima do ouro, o mundo seria muito mais feliz."
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Ingwion
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Sep 27 2016, 7:01am
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That's probably why PJ changed it.
Even though I have some niggles with Thorin's death, Tauriel and a few other stuff, I really love the Hobbit movies..
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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DainPig
Gondor
Oct 2 2016, 3:06pm
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After Fili fall, Thorin make a disgusting sound like "blargh". I absolutely hate this sound, almost ruin the scene for me. It would have been more dramastic to hear "no!".
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wizzardly
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Oct 2 2016, 3:55pm
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It looks like he was probably supposed to say "No" and forgot his line and improvised with a grunt instead. Also, Fili's death stare looks like he's trying not to laugh.
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Ingwion
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Oct 2 2016, 7:54pm
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I really need to watch BOFA again, I've only really watched LOTR lately
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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LittleHobbit
Lorien
Oct 3 2016, 3:32am
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As usual, nothing note-worthy to nit-pick about this scene.
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It looks like he was probably supposed to say "No" and forgot his line and improvised with a grunt instead.
I don't think PJ or any competent director would let that happen.
[replyAlso, Fili's death stare looks like he's trying not to laugh.
I don't agree. It looks like a regular death stare to me.
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LittleHobbit
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Oct 3 2016, 5:33am
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Also, Fili's death stare looks like he's trying not to laugh.
I don't agree. It looks like a regular death stare to me.
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dormouse
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Oct 3 2016, 8:22am
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Why on earth would you be disgusted by that?
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The sound Thorin makes is just a shocked intake of breath. In the circumstances it's a far more real reaction to the horror in front of him than articulating any word - even "No!"
(I don't know how you get 'blargh' out of it, or anything like, since that would involve closing the lips to make the initial sound, then the tongue pushing forward and his mouth doesn't move in that way at all.)
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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ange1e4e5
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Oct 4 2016, 1:47am
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I always follow my job through.
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Ingwion
Lorien
Oct 5 2016, 4:56pm
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If someone close to you was killed in front of you, would you carefully sit down and consider the most mellifluous and aesthetically pleasing sound to make, before standing back up and commencing to utter the noise?
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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wizzardly
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Oct 5 2016, 10:45pm
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Rewatching the scene, I imagined he said, "bruh", and it was a little better.
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ange1e4e5
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Oct 6 2016, 12:49am
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I always follow my job through.
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wizzardly
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Oct 7 2016, 6:03pm
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I think PJ's Thorin might say "bruh".
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It's a way of showing concern for a fallen brother.
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malickfan
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Oct 9 2016, 12:39pm
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I have no opinion, because I can barely remember anything about them//
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banaili
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Nov 15 2016, 2:58pm
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I had to see the movie more than once to warm up to the way they were done.
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...But that being said, I think Peter Jackson handled it very well. Fili's really was a shocker, but somehow in the end it worked out. I don't think it could have been more tragic, knowing that he and his brother had bravely gone in together to scout, and knowing that Fili's death was coming when he sent his brother off and he chose the passage with the orc torches and drums coming his way. It was quite clear he knew that one would be more dangerous, which was why he protected Kili by going down it himself. I honestly felt like Dean O'Gorman got the shaft in quite a lot of respects with these films, but he did such a great job, and I felt SO sad for that character when his death came. The other thing about it is that it was true-to-life in that it was quick and brutal, with no time left to grieve. The music really adds to the terror of that scene. And then of course we can also feel Thorin's shame and horror at having to witness that.
Kili's death was a bit cliche only because it was with his love (who literally did nothing to prevent it - that's how they made it look, in a way), but something about it I just liked. I think the actors did an excellent job bringing it to life.
Thorin's death was done SO well, even if it's all so TRAGIC. I still love watching that fight scene though - so epic!
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Ingwion
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Nov 15 2016, 6:45pm
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I noted a disappointing lack of epic shivers - which I'm sure I'd have got had F&K died defending Thorin with shield and body. But anyway, the tears made up for it.
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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