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Gianna
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Sep 16 2016, 9:23pm
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Subtle connections between LOTR and the Silm
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Lothlorien, to a certain degree, keeps enemies of Galadriel out of the forest. Recall how only the House of Finarfin were welcome in Doriath and Galadriel spent a lot of time with Melian? I'm guessing Lothlorien's defence is similar to the Girdle of Melian, and that Galadriel learned its art during her time in Doriath.
Furthermore, Morgoth couldn't get into Melian's mind, just as Sauron couldn't see into Galadriel's!
What other little connections have you noticed as you reread the books?
"The men of the East may search the scrolls,
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But the men that drink the blood of God
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Ingwion
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Sep 17 2016, 12:25pm
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I've always thought that Galadriel's ring, Nenya (one of the three Elven rings), kept enemies out, as part of its 'preserving' influence.
Interesting idea, though. It's been a few months since I've read the Silmarillion, so I can't remember that bit about the House of Finarfin, but I see where you are coming from.
One connection running a lot of Tolkien's works is courage. Courage to keep going as long as you have life left in your body to protect something, and to stand regardless of the enemy's strength. For example, Hurin's last stand at the battle of Unnumbered Tears, and Theoden's charge from the Hornburg. Even the Last March of the Ents has an element of unflinching courage.
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen.
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Gianna
Rohan
Sep 17 2016, 12:37pm
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Perhaps it's a mixture of both.
Hurin's last stand always thrills me - and he never gives up, not even when he's standing in chains before Morgoth himself. One of my favourite Tolkien characters.  To your list I would definitely add Frodo and Sam's journey to Mordor. Both of them handled it in different ways: Frodo continuing DESPITE knowing they would almost certainly not return, and Sam continuing IN HOPE that they might return. Both were incredibly courageous in their own way.
"The men of the East may search the scrolls,
For sure fates and fame,
But the men that drink the blood of God
Go singing to their shame."
-G.K. Chesterton, The Ballad of the White Horse, Book I
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My fantasy novels
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Ingwion
Lorien
Sep 17 2016, 12:48pm
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Two very different forms of courage. Frodo's courage is similar to Faramir's when he rides to take back Osgiliath, knowing he had no chance of victory, although Frodo's courage was probably the greater, as the Ring was probably making him feel as if he would have peace if he put it on.
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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Trond
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Oct 6 2016, 4:34am
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Interesting that you mention that
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The Galadriel/Melian connection is one of the first things that come to mind. Thingol and Celeborn are also similar. It is a bit like the similarity between Arwen and Aragorn vs Luthien and Beren, which Tolkien of course pointed out in LOTR.
There is an interesting similarity between LOTR and The Book of Lost Tales, where there is a whispering spirit in the Land of Willows, which makes Tuor fall asleep. It certainly reminds of Old Man Willow.
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