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2ndBreffest
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Sep 13 2016, 11:21pm
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No interest in Middle-Earth Ultimate BLURAY boxset? Little surprised
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So i posted a poll asking if anyone is going to be buying this when it comes out and it looks like basically NOBODy is.  im actually kind of surprised on this board cause Peter Jackson support is pretty good here for the most part. yes the hate is pretty strong elsewhere like on youtube and the like, but i usually come here to celebrate the amazing films of the one and only Peter Jackson. This boxset i know is not the "Ultimate" that some people had in mind but its the one that Peter wanted us to have. He even designed the shelf for us and went out and conducted a poll so they would pick the best possible artwork to include! Im sure all the cardboard material they chose will be only top notch and the book looks sooo cool. Its exclusive!
But anyways i understand the price is a little bit steep but it is really for real fans and they even said this. I think not supporting it sends a sad message that nobody cares anymore which kind of seems to be the case from what i see online and walmart even had the hobbit dvds just thrown in the 5 dollar bin the other day like they were just some smelly garbage.
Of course I alreaddy have the bluerays but what Im going to do and I think you can do this too if you want is Im going to give the copies I already have and donate them to a homeless shelter so they can all watch this amazing movies and keep the new ones that I get in the set. anyway what do you think of this idea? I would just hate for PJ to be sitting around the house on christmas moring and get a call from warner bros informing him that nobody bought his box set and they are all being sent to the dump.
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Ringtir
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Sep 14 2016, 3:00am
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Don't feel bad for PJ, he isn't waiting any call from WB
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http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2016/08/23/101644-exclusive-peter-jackson-not-involved-in-this-release/
Still, I hope they don't dump anything!
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Omnigeek
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Sep 14 2016, 6:52am
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The price is more than a little steep and it really doesn't have anything new in it. I don't want PJ's "Hobbit" trilogy in my collection anyway so there's no way I'd spend that kind of money on this unless it had something REALLY fabulous from or about the LOTR trilogy that I just had to have (and didn't have already).
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dormouse
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Sep 14 2016, 8:46am
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There was a lot of interest here a few weeks ago....
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... when the release was announced. Then a huge wave of disappointment at the realisation that this is not the edition people have been hoping for, with the new background material on the films that has been mentioned so often. Then disbelief - and horror - at the price, followed by amusement when the advertised price kept changing.... Things have gone quiet now only because there isn't much more to say.
I love all six films and would love a collected set. I was hoping that at some point there would be a Middle Earth equivalent of the Harry Potter 'Wizards Collection' which had a lot of extra material on the disks, and every possible version of the films, and came in packaging which is a real work of art -( I'm like a big kid, I still get a lot of pleasure just taking the disks out of all those little drawers and compartments) Compared to that, this is a half-hearted effort. I know someone has already linked you to the article about Peter Jackson not being involved: this isn't the collection that he proposed to Warner Brothers and he has had no part in it (beyond making the films, of course). And yet they're stressing his involvement in the marketing. Did he choose the shelf design? I don't know. Did he conduct a poll among fans on social media? I've yet to find anyone who knew about it, and people here are usually pretty clued up about these things.
The book looks beautiful and I'd love to have it. But for the rest, I've already bought several copies of all the films and there's nothing new here. I do care a lot - lots of people here do - but for me, pouring a lot of money into the coffers of Warner Brothers for some disks I already have, a shelf and a book, isn't the way to show that. I see what you're saying and I'd be sad too if the message goes out that people just don't care about the films, but I don't think it will. Anyone wanting to know what people really think will find it on sites like this. I'd be inclined to ask what refusing the set Peter Jackson wanted to make and churning this one out instead says about how much Warner Brothers care.....
I'm sorry if all that seems negative to you. If you really want this set then go for it and don't let anyone put you off. And I think your idea of giving away the copies of the films you already have is lovely and generous and kind-hearted. Good luck to you - and I will be really envious of that book! 
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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wizzardly
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Sep 14 2016, 8:48am
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PJ's Hobbit belongs in the dump...
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actually no, there's no need to pollute the good Earth with this crud, it would be better if WB packed em all in a rocket and fired em off into a black hole. But seriously though, only the most die hard of the die hard PJ fanatics will be purchasing this. But on the bright side, and if they are smart, WB will only be producing these things as they are ordered, in which case, yours will be the only one in existence and could become very valuable one day! You might even get the same one that Merry was personally shilling!
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DeadRabbits
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Sep 14 2016, 11:53am
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Your hatred for these movies really is something special!
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And everybody here ought to know that by now. Mission accomplished!
Those are some very harsh words by the way. It makes me wonder why it's considered ok to talk about PJ and his works in a disrespectful manner, when personal attacks towards other TORN members are frowned upon.
Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought
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Smaug the iron
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Sep 14 2016, 12:21pm
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It makes me wonder why it's considered ok to talk about PJ and his works in a disrespectful manner, when personal attacks towards other TORN members are frowned upon. If I say something disrespectful about wizzardly I will get a warning and the post deleted, if wizzardly say something disrespectful about PJ ( he is doing that a lot) nothing happens.
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 14 2016, 1:13pm
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Personal attacks vs. criticism
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If I say something disrespectful about wizzardly I will get a warning and the post deleted, if wizzardly say something disrespectful about PJ ( he is doing that a lot) nothing happens.
There is a difference between verbally attacking Peter Jackson himself and criticizing the films--no matter how harshly. That is a line that Wizzardly isn't crossing (at least not in this post). Although I do agree that his opinion has been stated so firmly and so often that I see little reason for Wizzardly to repeat it unless he has something new to add to the discussion.
"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes
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Bracegirdle
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Sep 14 2016, 1:34pm
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Uh, err, Is Peter Jackson a member of TORn?
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It makes me wonder why it's considered ok to talk about PJ and his works in a disrespectful manner, when personal attacks towards other TORN members are frowned upon.
Just wondering . . .
Edited to say: If not a member would he not be fair game for personal criticism, just as Obama, Trump, or Hilary, or any author or movie maker?
I think it’s only against TORn rules to not get personally negative with another TORn member?
‘. . . the rule of no realm is mine . . .
But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'
Gandalf to Denethor
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entmaiden
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Sep 14 2016, 2:08pm
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that wizzardly is doing it to get a reaction, so the best response is to ignore it and participate where you find joy.
Note that we welcome ALL opinions as long as they comply with our Terms of Service. Wizzardly did not make a personal attack - criticism of the movies is not personal.
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DeadRabbits
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Sep 14 2016, 2:19pm
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Ok, so it's ok to criticize someone, no matter how harshly?
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Yeah, I made a small grammatical error there. Thanks for pointing it out to me.
So let's pretend that I don't like Tolkien's The Hobbit and want to express my feelings towards the book. If I would write:
"That ****ing excuse for a 'book', written by that lousy good-for-nothing 'author' with not the slightest sense of storytelling or how to build characters! I use it as toilet paper just to make a statement."
... would it qualify as "just" criticism, as compared to:
"IMO, The Hobbit is poorly written. Sadly, the narrative structure isn't just up to standard, and the character development could have been much better."
Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought
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DeadRabbits
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Sep 14 2016, 2:24pm
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But wouldn't that qualify as trolling?
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that wizzardly is doing it to get a reaction
Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought
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Ringtir
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Sep 14 2016, 3:10pm
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what we have to admit is that...
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Wizzardly and Omnigeek have a great strategy to lead all the threads to the same topic.
Sadly, we're missing another one to get the three Trolls, but luckily, despite all the problems that they gave to the company, at the end we will find Sting and a chest full of treasure.
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entmaiden
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Sep 14 2016, 3:17pm
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That's a violation of our Terms of Service
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which says that language must be family-friendly. Asterisks to replace certain letters is not enough. But the rest is fine.
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entmaiden
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Sep 14 2016, 3:19pm
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If you think someone is violating our Terrms of Service
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Bracegirdle
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Sep 14 2016, 3:19pm
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If one makes a personal attack on a non-TORn member would THIS constitute a violation of TOS? It’s understandable and reasonable for TORn to curtail TORn-to-TORn personal attacks, but would a personal attack on PJ, authors, other movie-makers, politicos etc. (non-members) break TOS? If so, Freedom of speech takes a backseat and much of our political discussion (amongst others) is quite personal (although not person-to-person, but ‘personal attacks’ nonetheless) must be deleted.
Note that we welcome ALL opinions as long as they comply with our Terms of Service. Wizzardly did not make a personal attack - criticism of the movies is not personal.
Still just wondering . . .
‘. . . the rule of no realm is mine . . .
But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'
Gandalf to Denethor
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Bracegirdle
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Sep 14 2016, 3:31pm
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com si – crass, personal 
com sa – tasteful, critical 
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But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'
Gandalf to Denethor
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entmaiden
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whether a personal attack on a non-TORn member is allowed. It depends on the circumstances, but generally personal attacks are not allowed here.
You realize no one has Freedom of Speech here - this is a private website and the site owners dictate the rules about how people communicate on these boards.
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Loresilme
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Sep 14 2016, 4:08pm
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But I'm not their target audience for something like this set. I'm not much into collecting stuff anymore, and my disposable income is going to different things than movie memorabilia. Aside from my own perspective though, from what I understand reading about it, this particular set wasn't exactly what some fans were expecting, in addition it was at a price that was off-putting for some. However, I don't feel the response or lack of it for this particular set is something that would make PJ sad. I imagine he's well aware from many other avenues (Facebook, forums, fan gatherings, continued sales, etc.) that his LOTR movies have a special place in the hearts and minds of many, many, MANY people .
As for the movies ending up in the bargain bin, after a certain period of time, any manner of movies, from the not-so-good to the absolutely-classic, still can make their way to those bins. And at my local Best Buy, I just recently bought the LOTR BluRay TE 3-film set, because I only recently upgraded to a BluRay home theater system. I was so happy to find this release in stock at a great price.
If you do get the ultimate boxset, be sure to post here and let us know how you like it!
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Bracegirdle
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Sep 14 2016, 7:00pm
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It’s understandable and reasonable for TORn to curtail TORn-to-TORn personal attacks You realize no one has Freedom of Speech here - this is a private website and the site owners dictate the rules about how people communicate on these boards. Of course! I think my quote says something akin to that.
whether a personal attack on a non-TORn member is allowed. It depends on the circumstances, but generally personal attacks are not allowed here.
And all the recent vitriol on a recent Pollantir does not fall under the lose term of “generally”?
Apologies if I seem to be a ‘hard guy’ here. Not meant to be so. I think a separate post is in order as an attempt to lay out my true feelings:
‘. . . the rule of no realm is mine . . .
But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'
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Bracegirdle
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Sep 14 2016, 7:41pm
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Quick thoughts on our relationships
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I write this as a previous post or two of mine may be misinterpreted as often seems to happen.
Who among us hasn’t spent many a rainy evening hidden in a corner of our Bag End reading and trudging along with our nine companions and dear friends into fearful (sometimes friendly) lands far from home?
I write that with a certainty that it will bring a vision of beauty or terror or tears to all Tolkienites, as we are all a singular bunch with a shared goal, a common love, a mutual interest – the discussion (be it serious or trivial) and the love of Tolkien’s works.
The scope of this work necessarily drives us to examine, dissect, analyze, and probe any and all facets of this wondrous creation with glee, with wonder, with sadness. Who among us can’t translate the word “Estel”, or name the Nine Walkers, or recite the first line of The Hobbit? Some of us even have a dog named “Huan”, or a canary named “Gwaihir”, or a getaway in the woods called “Rivendell”. And as we occasionally, or often, peruse TORn we anticipate or hope for a question or comment or piece of trivia that will pique our interest and perhaps escalate into a cursory examination or a full-fledged in-depth exchange of ideas.
But, occasionally we may disagree with another’s speculation, conclusion, or trivial input. This is understandable, and fair game are the words of the poster that we may disagree with. Fair game are the words or thoughts of said poster, and to pounce on these words or thoughts is seemly. But to leave those words and thoughts behind and to attack the poster personally is to leave the path of enjoyment and enter the hideous pettiness of orcdom. It might be well if we ponder the wise words of Glóin at The Council of Elrond [slightly tweaked]: ‘Still it might be well for all . . . if all [our] strengths were joined, and the powers of each were used in league.’
I hope I hope I hope - that no one will take this as preachy or condescending. It’s certainly not meant so, and I am as likely guilty as anyone at “The Attack” . . .
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But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'
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Calling an end to this discussion
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2ndBreffest
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but I think its still the boxset he wanted us to have minus a few bloopers and the documentary he was talking about. The man still went out of his way and made a really nice shelf for us. Its solid wood too. And he went out and polled people in the street and asked them what their favorite Hobbit scenes were and thats why we get a cool picture of his really awesome barrell scene to hang up on our wall! But on a further note Domminick Monnaham came out of retirement in support of it! It was so cool to see him again! And he really seemed sincere. I think he is really excited to be able to bring this boxset home like I am.
Anyway thats all i really wanted to say about it. I really hope they don't end up dumping all these boxsets cause that would be a real shame to behold.
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Mooseboy018
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Sep 16 2016, 8:39pm
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but I think its still the boxset he wanted us to have minus a few bloopers and the documentary he was talking about.
And all of the deleted scenes we've wanted to see for over a decade. He's always been good with wanting to give fans worthwhile content for new releases, so double/triple dipping feels worth the price for us. Warner Bros shut down any chance of making this anymore than a fancy repackage of old material.
The man still went out of his way and made a really nice shelf for us. Its solid wood too.
You're acting as if he spent weeks making each one himself. Do you really feel that the shelf is worth the $800 price tag?
And he went out and polled people in the street and asked them what their favorite Hobbit scenes were
Did he? The press release made it sound like it he did it on social media, and there is absolutely not evidence of it.
and thats why we get a cool picture of his really awesome barrell scene to hang up on our wall!
But is that worth the price?
But on a further note Domminick Monnaham came out of retirement in support of it!
How can he come out of retirement when he never retired?
This is why I honestly can't tell if you're being serious. You're exaggerating to the point where you're making things up. It's far more likely that PJ's just as disappointed as some of us are. Do you honestly believe he wants fans to have to pay a ridiculous price for an incomplete version of what he wanted to give us? Your posts are coming across as parodies of what fans have been complaining about since this boxset was announced.
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