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DainPig
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Sep 8 2016, 2:16pm
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When did they start writing the script?
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Just wondering. 2009, 2010?
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Sep 8 2016, 8:27pm
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Guillermo announced here that he'd signed on to direct in April, and by May was already making veiled comments about the design and script process - for instance talking about how things would play out "beat by beat", which indicates they were talking about story outlines and pacing at that stage.
Of course, the green light delay and Guillermo's departure must have created a lot of reworking of things later on, but we didn't really get details on what or how extensive any script revisions might have been.
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Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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DainPig
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Sep 8 2016, 11:40pm
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Is it true that Guillermo only worked in the first film? I read this somewhere. And as you can see AUJ is quite different, in terms of story and visual, from the other two.
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 9 2016, 3:19am
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Guillermo del Toro worked on all three films in the sense that elements of the third were already a part of the two-film treatment. It was GdT who determined that the book of The Hobbit would be best split in two if it was not to be condensed into a single movie. That was when the idea for the 'bridge film' was abandoned.
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DainPig
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Sep 9 2016, 1:55pm
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Would this be a film telling the events after There and Back Again and before The Fellowship of the Ring? Sounds like a interesting idea.
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ange1e4e5
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Sep 9 2016, 1:59pm
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Okatu gave me ideas for a Aragorn prequel.
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I always follow my job through.
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 9 2016, 2:05pm
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Would this be a film telling the events after There and Back Again and before The Fellowship of the Ring? Sounds like a interesting idea.
That was roughly the idea. I think that the White Council's assault on Dol Guldur and other material from LotR and the Appendices would have made it into that film as well instead of being folded into the main narrative. I don't know how far into the timeline it would have explored, but it could have conceivably covered some of Aragorn and Arwen's backstory as well, perhaps incorporating the unused flashback from LotR where the pair become betrothed. It might have even concluded with Gandalf asking Aragorn to set a watch on the Shire, but don't quote me on that.
Keep in mind that I am largely speculating here and relying on imperfect memory. The original plan was for one film that would be a straight-forward adaptation of The Hobbit and another movie that would cover events outside of the main narrative and between TH and LotR.
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DainPig
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Sep 9 2016, 2:08pm
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all that Necromancer narrative wouldn't be interrupting and taking the focus from the main quest. It's your speculations but hell yeah.
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 9 2016, 2:18pm
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Aragorn: The Eagle of the Star
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Okatu gave me ideas for a Aragorn prequel.
And I still think that a 'Young Aragorn' movie derived from JRRT's "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen" has great potential; although the timeline would need to be tweaked if it has to conform to the Peter Jackson films.
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Morthoron
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Sep 10 2016, 1:44am
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Who says they actually wrote a script? //
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DainPig
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Sep 10 2016, 7:37pm
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Didn't they?
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Morthoron
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Sep 10 2016, 7:41pm
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They didn't really follow the book, so if there was a script I don't think they followed that either. 
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DainPig
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Sep 10 2016, 8:02pm
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Good boy, you're being a good hater
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Keep following your internet masters, they must be very proud [evil laugh] 
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wizzardly
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Sep 10 2016, 8:11pm
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maybe there was no script at all and PJ just winged it!
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Smaug the iron
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Sep 10 2016, 9:01pm
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If you watch the appendices you will see that they have a script.
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wizzardly
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Sep 10 2016, 9:06pm
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I've never seen the appendices, so I wasn't sure. Thanks for clarifying.
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Smaug the iron
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Sep 10 2016, 9:07pm
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They didn't really follow the book, so if there was a script I don't think they followed that either. Wink They did follow the book and they did follow the script. Just watch the appendices and you will see the script.
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Smaug the iron
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Sep 10 2016, 9:15pm
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I've never seen the appendices, so I wasn't sure. Thanks for clarifying. You should watch them, they are fun,interesting and you will understand how much the films are close to the book.
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wizzardly
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Sep 10 2016, 9:20pm
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Yes, I've seen enough. Not my cup of tea I'm afraid.
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DainPig
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Sep 10 2016, 10:32pm
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But didn't get the "soul". His mind has been poisoned by stupid critics such "it has nothing to do with the book" and "three films is too much". Nowadays people watch films expecting to see what they want, that's why they get disappointed.
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wizzardly
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Sep 10 2016, 10:45pm
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Yes, thankfully I've managed to avoid allowing the soul of PJ's Hobbit from taking over my mind....
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but is it really so unreasonable for a fan of the book to want the movie adaptation to be as faithful as possible, and to be disappointed when it turns out poorly?
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
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Sep 10 2016, 11:55pm
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Criticisms like the ones mentioned *are* stupid, though, no?
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Understand, I'm not going to be bold or ignorant enough to claim these critics are stupid, but let's take the first example: the films quite obviously have a lot to do with the book (not opinion, fact; every chapter and major event is present and accounted for) and if there's a person who is seriously making the claim "it has nothing to do with the book" with a straight face has - at least - questionable judgment, right? At the very least, the criticism is stupid, even if the person's judgment is otherwise impeccable. And who's say is it how many films an adaptation should be? Most here on these very boards seem to have no problem with a two-film adaptation of The Hobbit, but why is that? The book is shorter than any single LotR installment. Also, the claim "three films is too much" carries with it the assumption that the expanded and added content can't be of much artistic worth and is, in fact, a critique that sidesteps what is actually presented within the films. So, this is another stupid criticism. The critic may be a smart guy or lass, but their criticism is stupid.
As to your question, wizzardly, the best answer I believe is a yes and a no. It is unreasonable to want the film adaptation to follow every crossed t and dotted i from the book because otherwise what's the point? We could all just go read the book. It also handcuffs the artist doing the adapting to be able to really adapt anything, because adaptation, by definition, denotes changing things. It also assumes the new artist couldn't possibly have anything decent or worthwhile to add to the material, which is simply arrogant. In my opinion, this is the worst kind of fandom. However, it is not unreasonable to be disappointed when an adaptation turns out poorly. But whether or not an adaptation turns out well or poorly almost never relies on precisely how faithful the fresh take is on the old one. Every single work of art must work (or not work) on its own merits. The Hobbit works (or doesn't; I believe it does) because of what Tolkien wrote and how he wrote it. The Hobbit works (or doesn't; I believe it does) because of how P.J. and co. wrote it and how P.J. directed it.
EDIT: I took your post to be sarcasm, DainPig, based on past posts I've seen by you. If I read you wrong, I apologize, but my points remain valid.
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DainPig
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Sep 11 2016, 12:23am
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Not at all.
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