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Lake town characters missing during Thorin's speech

DainPig
Gondor


Aug 29 2016, 12:28am

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When Thorin was introduced to the Master, I always wondered why we don't see Hilda, Percy or Bain. We already knew them, it would make sense to see them there, so we would have a connection.

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Kilidoescartwheels
Tol Eressea


Aug 29 2016, 2:44am

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Maybe it was past Bain's bedtime? [In reply to] Can't Post

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LSF
Gondor

Aug 29 2016, 3:02am

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People got stuff to do [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't expect every person in town to gather in the square every time anything happens, especially with what was the short-notice capture of the Company. Why would Bain be there, when Bard told him to stay at home before trying to find the company when they left?

I didn't "miss" them there, especially since they would've just been another face in the crowd.


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Aug 29 2016, 4:02am

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As a matter of fact.... [In reply to] Can't Post

that Welcome scene was filmed over three days, and there was one variation which included Bain that was filmed but not used. Bain came from behind Bard to contradict Alfrid after his lines, "Arrow after arrow he shot...". Bain stepped out and said, "But Girion hit the dragon. He loosened a scale under his wing." Alfrid and the Master poo pooed that. So it was essentially the same as the scene that made it to screen inside Bard's house where Bain says it and Dwalin says, "That is a fairy story. Nothing more."
Movie stuff changes.Evil


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Aug 29 2016, 12:48pm

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Extras! Extras! [In reply to] Can't Post

Movie scenes are often (usually?) shot out-of-order, so it can be difficult to anticipate if and when minor characters or extras will gain an unexpected degree of prominence. It is made even more difficult when other scenes are lensed much later or are not filmed until reshoots take place.

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dormouse
Half-elven


Aug 29 2016, 12:54pm

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Another way of looking at it might be.... [In reply to] Can't Post

..that as we already knew them the connection had been made and we didn't need to see them there.

For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .


DainPig
Gondor


Sep 19 2016, 6:17pm

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What? [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, we had a connection to Bilbo at the beginning of AUJ so we didn't need to see him in the rest of the film. Right?

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LSF
Gondor

Sep 19 2016, 6:48pm

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hm... [In reply to] Can't Post

You're comparing the main character to side supporting characters. And in the case of Hilda and Percy, very side supporting characters. You're not going to see them in every scene of Laketown.


DainPig
Gondor


Sep 19 2016, 6:51pm

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Then why introduce them at first? [In reply to] Can't Post

I just think they were interesting characters who gave Lake-town its own personality. They deserved more than Legolas.... Mad

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LSF
Gondor

Sep 19 2016, 6:57pm

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Because... [In reply to] Can't Post

Legolas is more important to the Mirkwood group than Hilda and Percy are to the Laketown group. To make this a more accurate comparison, you would ask why the guy who blows his horn (named Feren) to tell elves to do things isn't in every Mirkwood or Thranduil related scene. We see him, recognize him when we do see him, but he's not in every scene.


dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 20 2016, 1:57pm

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Wrong! [In reply to] Can't Post

The story is about Bilbo.

Hilda, Percy and Bain are supporting characters. They'd already been introduced, so no need or reason to introduce them again.

For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .


dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 20 2016, 1:58pm

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Legolas wasn't there either! [In reply to] Can't Post

Evil

For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .


Eruonen
Valinor


Sep 23 2016, 2:35pm

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This new story relates a bit to the various peoples found in trading towns [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...rewrite-history.html

Laketown, not surprisingly, could very well have had diverse peoples.

 
 

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