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Weird Radagast scene

LittleHobbit
Lorien

Jun 24 2016, 2:36pm

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Did anyone notice in BOFA that early scene when Gandalf is mumbling a spell to break free from his cage and there appears some shots of Radagast saying the spells to save the hedgehog from the first movie?

I never understood that scene. Was Radagast trying to help Gandalf? And, most importantly, is that Radagast 'scene' the EXACT SAME FOOTAGE from AUJ or it's slightly different shots and I didn't notice? Crazy


(This post was edited by LittleHobbit on Jun 24 2016, 2:37pm)


Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor


Jun 24 2016, 3:26pm

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I think the idea was that Radagast was contacting Galadriel for Gandalf, but I don't know why they recycled the footage. Possibly Radagast was trying to keep Gandalf alive until Galadriel could get there, I don't know, but I thought that was laziness on the editor's part.

Another scene like that in BOT5A is during the confrontation between Thranduil and Dain, where Thranduil orders his elves to fire on the Dwarf cavalry. After the twiddly-widdlys land & take out a bunch of elves, Thranduil orders them to fire again. It's the exact same shot, but then the angle changes to looking down on the scene from the Dwarf position. I guess they wanted to show the Dwarves approaching, but I just thought it was a weird thing to do.

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Avandel
Half-elven


Jun 24 2016, 8:36pm

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I always thought that Radagast had some sort of pyschic connection to Gandalf - he seems to be able to find Gandalf in the High Fells, in the woods, and so on - tho maybe it's the animals helping Radagast too. I never notice that particular bit of recycled footage; I think it's a nice touch that Gandalf is getting SOME support in spell-strengthening until the real warriors show up who can take on that kind of evil.

It bothers me more that Thorin & co. apparently have the same pants and boots on all the way through BOFA. Nice new togs (or old togs, if they were getting stuff from Erebor, but assume they were CLEAN) but Thorin must LOVE those pants and boots. Just love 'em. Because they've been wet down, covered w. fish, wet down again, he's hiked leagues and leagues, those pants can probably stand up by themselves. (Unless the dwarves, like wash stuff out at night in the sinks, like during a modern economy road trip, but I just can't picture Thorin w. those little soap packets...



He's a KING, WHY didn't they give him some NEW boots and pants!!!!

ok, I'm fine now...




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Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor


Jun 24 2016, 9:06pm

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Okay, I'm going to have to go look for those now...Evil



Hmm, maybe...



Um, what was I doing? Oh yeah, checking out Thorin's pants (that's not weirdBlush)



Oh look, there's Fili!



I guess there's just no getting around it - I'm going to have to re-watch the ENTIRE movie now, plus some of the Appendices - Darn!SlySlySly

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Avandel
Half-elven


Jun 25 2016, 1:11am

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Of course, it's the cosplayers who are *ruthless* about the details....
http://emeraldvigilante.tumblr.com/post/70865044480


I think AUJ and BOFA might be the best for boot/pant watching!



I mean, in DOS the dwarves are all running and in barrels - well, maybe when the come out of the river? I dunno! Guess I'll have to watch them all!TongueCool

And check this out:



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E.g., so that's what the un-Shopp'd image looked like! Either way, Thorin is so badass! (And this is an awesome pen, too....)



Still badass.CoolWink

(And just sayin' - you know, it probably never helped Thorin's mood any because Thorin was getting tired of never getting clean clothes, especially the boots and the pants. Not even Tolkien himself, or any erudite blogger, has commented on the issue. How would we feelFrown? Elves don't count because they have that magical laundry that never gets dirty, wizards don't wear pants, and hobbits wear short pants. Like Bermuda shorts.)



They never let him change! *SHOCKING*AngelicWinkCool


Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor


Jun 25 2016, 2:49am

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"They never let him change! *SHOCKING*"



No need to change - he's perfection! Oh, you mean the clothes - well...



Jeez, how'd this become another Thorin thread?Wink


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Starling
Half-elven


Jun 25 2016, 12:01pm

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Thorin wore togs? How did I miss this?




Avandel
Half-elven


Jun 25 2016, 5:03pm

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Angelic


Avandel
Half-elven


Jun 25 2016, 6:38pm

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It's not a Thorin thread.Angelic The OP mentions something baffling to them...and I offered that while I didn't find Radagst's additions baffling - although *frown* if there really is re-used footage I'd say that's a MISTAKEUnimpressed. But I do like that Radagast - I think - is trying to bolster Gandalf's efforts. Perhaps it's supposed to be the reason that

RADAGAST DOESN'T IMMEDIATELY RUSH TO EREBOR TO HELP THE DWARVES HE THREW UNDER THE BUS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T HEDGEHOGS SINCE IT'S NOT LIKE SARUMAN COULDN'T HAVE JUST, LIKE, FLOATED GANDALF OUT OF DG AS WE SEE HE IS QUITE ABLE TO FLOAT GANDALF AND EVEN TWIRL HIM AROUND IN THE AIR LATER IN LOTR!!!!!

I'm fine now.

So in turn I offer my own *bafflement* over a worrisome issue, for me. Chafing skin, parasites, ringworm, and all thatShocked. Even poison ivy can get on your clothes and keep causing a rash, and after all the Company DID spend all that time in Mirkwood! It's probably like that Caribbean machineel tree (manzanilla de la muerte) that's 10 x worse than poison ivy!

It's just unavoidable IMO to think about Thorin's pants and bootsShocked, especially if you are into costumesHeart. After all, although certainly not a main character like Thorin's Hair, there ARE some critical scenes that wholly depend on Thorin's footwear:



(I remember when this scene freaked me out in the trailerShocked because I thought Thorin was coming up behind Bilbo to do something BAD....)

And then of course, thinking about boots leads to thinking about socks to go with the boots....



http://www.ravelry.com/...thorins-armour-socks

So I hafta say, as an aside, I was pretty happy to hear that the cast got new socks every daySmile, especially the dwarves:


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Ancient men and women wore shoes, or, at least sandals. And, people have even been wearing socks for almost as long! In fact, a sock from around the 12th century is on display at the Textile Museum, located in Washington, D.C.. The reasons to wear shoes are obvious: they protect the foot and can help provide stability. The usefulness of socks is less obvious, but no less important. The primary role of socks is to help absorb and dissipate perspiration of the feet and provide a “second skin” for the feet that can be changed and modified as conditions warrant....

Even a high-performance sock, however, needs time to air out and dry. Therefore, at rest stops along your hike, remove your shoes, and, if time allows, even your socks, if you begin to feel that they are becoming damp. On backpacking trips, change socks daily, giving the just worn pair adequate time to completely dry.

http://www.nynjtc.org/...ighperformance-socks


Considering the elaborate nature of the Hobbit costumes:




it's just INEXPLICABLE to meShocked - especially in BOFA where there are going to be some *titanic* up-close boot/pant shots -



That the KING UNDER THE MOUNTAIN didn't have some new pants and boots from all the stuff that must have been left around Erebor, someplace, unless I am supposed to believe Smaug had a pant/boot fetishShocked - folks can be real fussy about the kind of jeans they buy and all that - and ate all the dwarf boots and pants.

'Course, it wasn't JUST the dwarves.



OMG, Bard's ratty pantsShocked. I thought Thorin's bathrobe was bad. Bard gets a new coat WITH NO EXPLANATION AT ALL. But not once, in 3 films, do you see ANYONE getting new pants and boots. I ask you, do these pants look like something you would battle an orc in? If Bard were rooting around in Dale for clothes, wouldn't he switch these out? I mean, Dale must be colder than Laketown!!!!!
No wonder Thorin was so disdainful - he wasn't going to treat with anyone who didn't have common sense in a mountain climate!

(Thorin was probably thinking "What a peasant. Goes for the glam suede coat (like anyone can beat my Grandpa's GOLD-embroidered mantle - wait till I pull out the armor!) and keeps the cheap linen pants. At least that prancing elven king knows the importance of being FABULOUS. Always. Not that my streaming, tumbling, perfectly-wind-swept hair doesn't give me a brutal advantage in all climate conditions. I even look good in a burlap potato sack.")

Still, for all of my *angst* and fretting - MUCH was made up for, IMO, by the addition of those leather gloves in BOFAHeart. (Never mind the vambraces). I can overlook quite a lot seeing all that woven, studded, and quilted leatherTongue. Just the sight of those BOFA gloves makes me totally forget the pants/boots issue, for the most part. Every now and then, tho, there's a twinge, during key shots. Tho I suspect there is DWARF FAVORITISM influencing my concerns. Only the best for the guysHeart!



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No need to change - he's perfection!





Well, yeah. There IS thatCool. In any case, I'm set up to do some re-watching this weekend - always something new to see in these films, or ponderCool.


DainPig
Gondor


Jun 25 2016, 8:16pm

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Radagast is summoning the White Council to help Gandalf. He was around the fortress, just admiring that beautiful place.




Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jun 25 2016, 8:42pm

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Radagast is summoning the White Council to help Gandalf. He was around the fortress, just admiring that beautiful place.


Presumably the White Council is already in transit and almost there; there is no indication that Radagast can teleport. He seems to be communicating with Gandalf, maybe even lending him strength, but he might also be telepathically guiding the Council to Dol Guldur.

"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes, the "Gossiper of the Gods"


DainPig
Gondor


Jun 26 2016, 10:14pm

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Radagast is summoning the White Council to help Gandalf. He was around the fortress, just admiring that beautiful place.


Presumably the White Council is already in transit and almost there;

Galadriel maybe, but you are not sure about Elrond and Saruman.




Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jun 26 2016, 11:32pm

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Presumably the White Council is already in transit and almost there...

Galadriel maybe, but you are not sure about Elrond and Saruman.


Oh, I am. Galadriel went in first, but Elrond and Saruman were only a little behind her. They seem to have arrived together.

"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes, the "Gossiper of the Gods"


Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor


Jun 28 2016, 2:50pm

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"Presumably the White Council is already in transit and almost there; there is no indication that Radagast can teleport. He seems to be communicating with Gandalf, maybe even lending him strength, but he might also be telepathically guiding the Council to Dol Guldur."


Well, an ability to teleport could explain how Radagast suddenly appeared behind Gandalf in the High FellsSly I mean, I don't think bunny sleds can travel THAT fast!Cool

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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jun 28 2016, 3:22pm

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Well, an ability to teleport could explain how Radagast suddenly appeared behind Gandalf in the High FellsSly I mean, I don't think bunny sleds can travel THAT fast!Cool


Given what we are actually told by Tolkien of Radagast's abilities it seems more likely that he created some sort of glamour that prevented Gandalf from seeing him earlier. He might have simply camouflaged himself. That isn't so say that Jackson couldn't have expanded Radagast's abilities (sorry for the double negative). But applying Occam's Razor, I would guess: no teleportation.

"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes, the "Gossiper of the Gods"

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Jun 28 2016, 3:25pm)

 
 

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