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lionoferebor
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May 23 2016, 2:49am
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ONE...only ONE
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If you were given the choice to keep ONE and to omit ONE thing from PJ adaptation of The Hobbit what would it be? As long as it is not the entire trilogy or any one film, it does not matter what it is. It could be a storyline, character, a costume...whatever, as long as it is seen and/or heard on screen.
To be clear the one thing that is kept and the one thing that is omitted cannot be altered. It is to be kept or omitted just as it is.
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Ataahua
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May 23 2016, 3:13am
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Omit the battle of the stone giants.
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It adds nothing to the story and is just another action scene amid a lot of other action scenes.
Keep Benedict Cumberbatch as Smaug - perfect casting of delicious menace.
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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ange1e4e5
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May 23 2016, 3:16am
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By the way, did J.R.R. Tolkien every explain anything about those Giants?
I always follow my job through.
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Meneldor
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May 23 2016, 3:26am
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I can put up with him in DoS, but I want him expunged from Bo5A.
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters, these see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep. -Psalm 107
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Rohan
May 23 2016, 3:48am
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Keep: the entire attack of Smaug on Laketown
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I will hold onto the horror of this sequence and the raw power of Bard and Bain's interactions like the world's most jealous husband forever.
Omit: this will be small potatoes to some, but it honestly just bugs me more than anything else (because of how the moment *should* feel), but Thrain's Wilhelm scream in the "DoS" EE.
"Even if everyone is telling you that something wrong is something right... even if the whole world is telling you to move, it is your duty to plant yourself like a tree, look them in the eye and say, 'No, YOU move.'"
- Captain America: Civil War
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Omnigeek
Lorien
May 23 2016, 4:03am
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The giants are mentioned in only 3 paragraphs and only 1 of them really says much of anything about them. I can't imagine what PJ was thinking, turning 4 lines into that whole unnecessary sequence.
However, if I could only get rid of one thing, it would be the godawful continuity-breaking Kili/Tauriel/Legolas triangle. I have no problem with the Tauriel character or with Legolas appearing but the whole Kili-Tauriel romance was the absolute worst deviation from the text IMO.
What deviation would I keep? Probably Bard's kids -- having them in the story gave him more solidity.
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Lissuin
Valinor
May 23 2016, 6:29am
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One to wish away, one to keep forever.
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I regret the creation of the poor maimed troll creatures used in the battle in BOFA.
I am immensely grateful for the Dwarves' entire visit to Bag End, but especially "Misty Mountains Cold" and Bilbo's rapt reaction to it, Balin and Thorin's conversation, and Bilbo and Gandalf's fireside discussion. The entire sequence was as near perfect as I could ever imagine it being.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 23 2016, 7:17am
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By the way, did J.R.R. Tolkien every explain anything about those Giants?
Tolkien didn't describe the Stone-giants in any detail, but I doubt that he imagined them quite as large or as inhuman as Jackson made them. Gandalf did remark later that he might locate a more-or-less decent giant to help him seal up the entrance to the Goblin-lair in the pass.
"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes, the "Gossiper of the Gods"
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Otaku-sempai
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May 23 2016, 7:20am
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Get rid of poor, maimed Stumpy; that was just a bad idea altogether.
Preserve forever: Good morning!
"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes, the "Gossiper of the Gods"
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Starling
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May 23 2016, 7:49am
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as long as I don't have to endure that 'Misty Mountains' song.
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dormouse
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May 23 2016, 8:06am
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...but I think I will keep the look on Smaug's face as he sees the golden statue....
...and lose the stick insect.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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BlackFox
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May 23 2016, 11:17am
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Choosing the one thing I'd omit is easy...
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... Alfrid's death.
I'd keep most of the stuff, but if I were to name just one, then, to make it more interesting, I'd pick one of the more controversial things: Radagast's wacky hairdo (including the bird poo).
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Elarie
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May 23 2016, 11:46am
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I would keep Smaug, of course. Best dragon ever, and the motivator for the whole story. And naturally, after Smaug I would have to add a list of about a thousand other things that I would never give up in the Hobbit movies - but I won't do that here. 
As for omitting something, I guess I would say Azog, simply because I found him so cartoonish and one-note and unconvincing as a character that he dragged down the quality of every scene that he was in.
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Gold is the strife of kinsmen,
and fire of the flood-tide,
and the path of the serpent.
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Omnigeek
Lorien
May 23 2016, 12:33pm
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I agree, they did that sequence just about perfectly, probably the best scene in the trilogy. It was one of the reasons I had great hopes for the films even though I already knew I loathed the choice of costuming for the dwarves.
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lionoferebor
Rohan
May 23 2016, 4:24pm
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Just curious if you had anything in particular.
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Darkstone
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May 23 2016, 4:39pm
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Oh, and I'd keep Ian McKellen.
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Elves and Men and Dwarves gonna cower,
When I finish building my tower,
When I finish building my tower with the Eye on top!
Watch that Eye and see how it glowers,
Ain't no contest between the Two Towers,
Nosey folks'll peek thru' palantirs and their eyes will pop!
The battlement's black and immeasurably strong, an adamant mountain of iron,
A buttress of steel, impossibly tall, held aloft by the power of Sauron!
See that Eye a winkin' and blinkin',
Ain't no finer tower I'm thinkin',
You can keep Orthanc if you're thinkin' that I'd care to swap,
For my black and shiny tower with the Eye on the top!
-Rodgers and Hammerstein, The Lord of the Rings
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Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor
May 23 2016, 5:18pm
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Do you mean replace the costume, or would she be naked? Um, that would kind of screw up the PG-13 rating! 
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Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor
May 23 2016, 5:22pm
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I would keep almost everything
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Probably cut the bollocks scene, that was just disgusting, but I'd keep the Master of Laketown. But what would I absolutely NOT give up, what would I keep forever? Surely I don't need to say it:
THORIN!!! Especially if I could keep him all to myself! (Oh, come on - you knew somebody was going to say it!)
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Darkstone
Immortal
May 23 2016, 5:37pm
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...I'd expect PJ would handle the portrayal of a sky-clad warrioress Elf with his trademark restraint and delicacy.
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"We’re orcs of the Misty Mountains,
Our singing’s part of canon.
We do routines and chorus scenes
While dancing with abandon.
We killed Isildur in the Gladden,
To help Sauron bring Armageddon!"
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LSF
Gondor
May 23 2016, 6:10pm
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keep all the cast and their performances.
get rid of Alfrid's death. I much prefer him just running off and never seeing him again.
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Starling
Half-elven
May 23 2016, 6:17pm
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I normally skip it.
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LSF
Gondor
May 23 2016, 6:25pm
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Agreed, especially since it sounds like a technical mistake that accidentally got left in
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Rohan
May 23 2016, 7:26pm
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That is such a heartbreaking moment and at the apex of it all, there's this totally inappropriate placeholder sound bite that is just wrong for the scene.
"Even if everyone is telling you that something wrong is something right... even if the whole world is telling you to move, it is your duty to plant yourself like a tree, look them in the eye and say, 'No, YOU move.'"
- Captain America: Civil War
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