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wizzardly
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May 14 2016, 9:34pm
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I've always enjoyed the story as Tolkien wrote it.
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ange1e4e5
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May 14 2016, 9:37pm
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You probably don't think much of the female demographic, do you?
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Most love interests don't get a good reception if they're a damsel in distress nowadays.
I always follow my job through.
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wizzardly
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May 14 2016, 9:41pm
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why? Because I disagree that a female character needed to be shoehorned into the Hobbit for the simple fact that there wasn't one?
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ange1e4e5
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May 14 2016, 9:43pm
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I actually thought Tauriel worked pretty well.
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Probably no need for a love triangle, but a strong-willed female who doesn't need saving all the time? I'll take that.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Rohan
May 14 2016, 9:49pm
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That emits an audible loud SIGH when users scroll past the post. I would place it right here.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Rohan
May 14 2016, 10:02pm
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And allow the movies the artistic right to divorce themselves from being the slavish mistresses of the novels?
Finding fault with the very presence of a female character (not even touching on how well-presented and performed she was) speaks a lot more to the kind of viewer you are and not at all to the quality of the trilogy.
"And you can trust me. Because I don't care enough about you to lie."
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wizzardly
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May 14 2016, 10:16pm
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I wasn't impressed with the presentation or performance of the character. Fairly uninspired imo
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May 14 2016, 10:17pm
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Then what female characters are you impressed with or think are inspired?
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Avandel
Half-elven
May 14 2016, 10:19pm
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W. dessert....
and more cake...
and 13 dwarves and a halfling....
My reward for actually doing some chores:
(Well, OK, wine vs. beer for me )
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ange1e4e5
Gondor
May 14 2016, 10:20pm
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I always follow my job through.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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May 14 2016, 10:22pm
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Arguing for the sake of argument
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Sorry, I don't accept anything you say. If Thorin and his nephews were meant to die, it hardly matters whether they were wearing heavy, light, or no armor. Btw, NONE of the people in your GIF are wearing armor - do THEY look dumb??? Thorin and his Company did not look dumb, I don't think anyone here will agree with you in that regard. We could go "no he doesn't/yes he does" all day long, and it won't change a thing. You're just arguing for the sake of argument.
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ange1e4e5
Gondor
May 14 2016, 10:28pm
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dormouse
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May 14 2016, 11:09pm
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Nice - hope you're enjoying your reward! //
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For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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StingingFly
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May 14 2016, 11:21pm
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...was a good example of a strong female character. She was wise, respected, and serene. She displayed her strength in her interactions with the Fellowship, connecting with them mentally and emotionally. She leaves the mighty warrior Boromir shaken and stammering after reading his soul. This is power. She rejected the Ring of power, even though facing immense temptation.This was inspired.
Unfortunately, in The Hobbit, we have the "girl power" nonsense that a strong woman literally has to be a strong woman, a 'kick-butt chick', who can do everything a man can do...and better! This to me is not inspired. It made for boring characters that felt shoe-horned into the story.
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LittleHobbit
Lorien
May 14 2016, 11:26pm
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Some people just don't understand what the word ''adaptation'' means. They think a multi-billion dollar movie franchise is done just to please a handful of die-hard, fanatical purists of the original work.
Sad as it may sound, I think the same dumb arguments will still be stated in 2020 and even beyond that.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 14 2016, 11:49pm
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Btw, NONE of the people in your GIF are wearing armor - do THEY look dumb???
The warriors in that GIF are wearing light armor. For some reason, folks seem to think that anything less than full-plate doesn't count. I don't think that anyone in Middle-earth was supposed to have access to full-plate armor (outside of Peter Jackson's films). The Dwarves of the Iron Hills didn't seem to have any:
Dain had come... Each one of his folk was clad in a hauberk of steel mail that hung down to his knees, and his legs were covered with hose of a fine and flexible metal mesh, the secret of whose making was possessed by Dain's people.. In battle they wielded heavy two-handed mattocks; but each of them had also a short broad sword at his side and a roundshield slung at his back. Their beards were forked and plaited and thrust into their belts. Their caps were of iron and they were shod with iron, and their faces were grim.
"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes, the "Gossiper of the Gods"
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wizzardly
Rohan
May 14 2016, 11:49pm
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I don't think the question was ever, "what is the definition of an adaptation?" The question is and has been, "is PJ's Hobbit a good one?" It's a matter of opinion, and mine happens to be a firm "No". Others will disagree, and that's ok. I just feel that PJ "adapted" the story so vigorously that he has basically removed most of the Tolkien out of it.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Rohan
May 15 2016, 1:04am
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You are short-changing Tauriel
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She had a strong moral compass (it is directly due to her actions all of the following occurs: Legolas begins to comprehend the deep worth of other cultures and gets involved in the dwarves' plight, the same with Thranduil, though a far slower burn, Bard's children are saved from the wrath of Smaug and Kili is even granted a fighting chance, doomed as it was) who happens to also be a 'kick butt chick.' Which shouldn't be a real issue because, well, you know, the only other one in the movies is Eowyn and she's not present in this tale. Compounding how large of a non-issue this is is the fact she does NOT do everything better than a man can do.
Bolg kills Kili and defeats Tauriel. Legolas kills Bolg and is never not a badass. He's a dude.
Dismantled. As are most of CaptainObvious and wizzardly's arguments given a few moment's thought. My contention has never been against those who dislike the films. It is against those who dislike them and provide the opposite of legitimate reasons for their view or are incapable of articulating why. I've met level-headed cinephiles and filmgoers who aren't fans and can reasonably explain why.
There's just simply not many on this board and less in this discussion.
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- Parks and Recreation
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Starling
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May 15 2016, 1:13am
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Tauriel, Rosie Cotton, Arwen, Galadriel. Eowyn isn't in the picture because she was out doing the shopping.
It's a hilarious situational comedy about what happened next to the women of LOTR and The Hobbit, once they got rid of all those shoehorned and unnecessary men. You should check it out.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Rohan
May 15 2016, 1:15am
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That it being not totally like the book or not totally like Tolkien or not totally *what you were hoping for* is not a legitimate flaw in the trilogy. It just is not.
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ange1e4e5
Gondor
May 15 2016, 1:20am
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I always follow my job through.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Rohan
May 15 2016, 1:26am
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"And you can trust me. Because I don't care enough about you to lie."
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StingingFly
Lorien
May 15 2016, 1:57am
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In your rush to 'dismantle' my argument, you missed the point.
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The point is that a powerful woman doesn't have to 'kick butt'. In fact, in Tolkien's world, physical power/fighting prowess isn't necessarily a noble quality, as Frodo is much more powerful than Boromir (strength of character). Bilbo's mercy toward Gollum is a great show of true power.
Anyways, I found the Galadriel of the LOTR to be hauntingly powerful, in a subtle and mysterious way. Galadriel of the Hobbit was a one woman wrecking crew. The same is true with Tauriel in DOS. They are smarter, wiser, and more powerful than their male counterparts. They are too perfect, which makes them boring.
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