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I wish the movies hadn't turned the characters into morons for the sake of the plot...
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ange1e4e5
Rohan

May 11 2016, 8:01pm

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"Or nothing." [In reply to] Can't Post

 

I always follow my job through.


Darkstone
Immortal


May 11 2016, 8:23pm

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"You have no right, no right to enter those pants!" "I have the only right." // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Elves and Men and Dwarves gonna cower,
When I finish building my tower,
When I finish building my tower with the Eye on top!
Watch that Eye and see how it glowers,
Ain't no contest between the Two Towers,
Nosey folks'll peek thru' palantirs and their eyes will pop!
The battlement's black and immeasurably strong, an adamant mountain of iron,
A buttress of steel, impossibly tall, held aloft by the power of Sauron!
See that Eye a winkin' and blinkin',
Ain't no finer tower I'm thinkin',
You can keep Orthanc if you're thinkin' that I'd care to swap,
For my black and shiny tower with the Eye on the top!

-Rodgers and Hammerstein, The Lord of the Rings


Meneldor
Valinor


May 11 2016, 8:27pm

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I wish the movies hadn't turned the characters into morons for the sake of their pants. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters, these see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep. -Psalm 107


Darkstone
Immortal


May 11 2016, 8:38pm

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"Those who have lived through dragon pants should rejoice. They have much to be grateful for." // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

******************************************
Elves and Men and Dwarves gonna cower,
When I finish building my tower,
When I finish building my tower with the Eye on top!
Watch that Eye and see how it glowers,
Ain't no contest between the Two Towers,
Nosey folks'll peek thru' palantirs and their eyes will pop!
The battlement's black and immeasurably strong, an adamant mountain of iron,
A buttress of steel, impossibly tall, held aloft by the power of Sauron!
See that Eye a winkin' and blinkin',
Ain't no finer tower I'm thinkin',
You can keep Orthanc if you're thinkin' that I'd care to swap,
For my black and shiny tower with the Eye on the top!

-Rodgers and Hammerstein, The Lord of the Rings


Fereth
Rivendell


May 11 2016, 8:46pm

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"He was my pants!" [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Darkstone
Immortal


May 11 2016, 8:57pm

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"I often think of Bag End. I miss my books. And my armchair. And my pants." // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

******************************************
Elves and Men and Dwarves gonna cower,
When I finish building my tower,
When I finish building my tower with the Eye on top!
Watch that Eye and see how it glowers,
Ain't no contest between the Two Towers,
Nosey folks'll peek thru' palantirs and their eyes will pop!
The battlement's black and immeasurably strong, an adamant mountain of iron,
A buttress of steel, impossibly tall, held aloft by the power of Sauron!
See that Eye a winkin' and blinkin',
Ain't no finer tower I'm thinkin',
You can keep Orthanc if you're thinkin' that I'd care to swap,
For my black and shiny tower with the Eye on the top!

-Rodgers and Hammerstein, The Lord of the Rings


lionoferebor
Rohan


May 11 2016, 9:06pm

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Perception [In reply to] Can't Post


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There's no requirement to agree with - or like - the creative decisions someone else has taken in producing a particular work.


Funny you should say this, because some of the posts on this thread have led me to feel otherwise. Unsure


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Still, there is a place for judging the work in the light of those decisions - and very little, that I can see, in judging it according to the creative decisions I might have made if I'd been the one creating it.


I am glad you are able to see a piece from the creators stance and see little to nothing you would change. It's admirable. However, that is not everyone and likewise that is admirable too.


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...sometimes engaging with someone else's ideas with the willingness to like, even when they're not an instant fit, can turn out to be creative and enjoyable - and it can take you to places you might not otherwise have gone.


And engaging in someone else's idea, IMO, should not be limited to the creators vision but should include also how others perceive that vision. Just as trying to see a piece from the creators intent can take you to exciting places, trying to understand someone else's perception of that same vision can open new doors too.


dormouse
Half-elven


May 11 2016, 10:00pm

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Sigh..... [In reply to] Can't Post

I will try once more.....

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I am glad you are able to see a piece from the creators stance and see little to nothing you would change. It's admirable. However, that is not everyone and likewise that is admirable too.


You're putting words in my mouth. The bolded phrase isn't what I said. I'm talking about understanding someone else's creative decisions irrespective of the decisions I would have made. It's not about what I would change or not change - if the work is someone else's it's not up to me to change anything; like it or dislike it, I'm the audience - I engage with it as it is.




For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .


dormouse
Half-elven


May 11 2016, 10:07pm

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"Come now, don't be shy.... step into the pants." // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .


Darkstone
Immortal


May 11 2016, 10:49pm

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"It is his excessive consumption of mushrooms! They have addled his brain and yellowed his pants!" // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

******************************************
Elves and Men and Dwarves gonna cower,
When I finish building my tower,
When I finish building my tower with the Eye on top!
Watch that Eye and see how it glowers,
Ain't no contest between the Two Towers,
Nosey folks'll peek thru' palantirs and their eyes will pop!
The battlement's black and immeasurably strong, an adamant mountain of iron,
A buttress of steel, impossibly tall, held aloft by the power of Sauron!
See that Eye a winkin' and blinkin',
Ain't no finer tower I'm thinkin',
You can keep Orthanc if you're thinkin' that I'd care to swap,
For my black and shiny tower with the Eye on the top!

-Rodgers and Hammerstein, The Lord of the Rings


wizzardly
Rohan


May 11 2016, 11:04pm

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oh I know [In reply to] Can't Post

I understand why PJ would think this was the way to go with this adaptation, and it would have been better executed if he only had made use of the extra background material provided by Tolkien and not thrown in a bunch of his own made up malarky. I do judge them on what they intended to do, and the verdict is still FAIL.

But like I said, on its own, and not considering the book its based on, as a movie it holds up to other recent big budget cgi action movies. Many here admit to not being that keen on the book, but love the movie, and that makes a lot of sense.



CaptainObvious
Rivendell

May 11 2016, 11:54pm

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I could tell there were points in filming when PJ was running out of steam. [In reply to] Can't Post


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I Many here admit to not being that keen on the book, but love the movie, and that makes a lot of sense.


Yeah, a lot of people don't like to read. Ironically, it would probably take less time to read the Hobbit than watch all three of Jackson's movies.


LittleHobbit
Lorien

May 12 2016, 3:18am

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Clarification. [In reply to] Can't Post


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So I guess it's a ''coming full circle'' king of thing.


I obviously meant KIND of thing, not KING. Just to avoid any confusion.Smile


(This post was edited by LittleHobbit on May 12 2016, 3:21am)


CaptainObvious
Rivendell

May 12 2016, 3:35am

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Still getting the hang of posting here. [In reply to] Can't Post

I have no idea why the font was so large in the last post I did.


dormouse
Half-elven


May 12 2016, 7:22am

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The unabridged audio book takes 10 hours // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .


dormouse
Half-elven


May 12 2016, 7:24am

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Your mother loved you Legolas. More than anything. More than pants. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


May 12 2016, 12:44pm

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Reading 'The Hobbit' [In reply to] Can't Post


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The unabridged audio book takes 10 hours


One should be able to read to oneself much more quickly than to read aloud. On the other hand, how long to read The Hobbit and also cross-reference all relevant passages from The Lord of the Rings and the Appendices?

"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes, the "Gossiper of the Gods"


Darkstone
Immortal


May 12 2016, 1:02pm

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"The Arkenstone lies half a world away, buried beneath the pants of a fire breathing dragon." // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

******************************************
Elves and Men and Dwarves gonna cower,
When I finish building my tower,
When I finish building my tower with the Eye on top!
Watch that Eye and see how it glowers,
Ain't no contest between the Two Towers,
Nosey folks'll peek thru' palantirs and their eyes will pop!
The battlement's black and immeasurably strong, an adamant mountain of iron,
A buttress of steel, impossibly tall, held aloft by the power of Sauron!
See that Eye a winkin' and blinkin',
Ain't no finer tower I'm thinkin',
You can keep Orthanc if you're thinkin' that I'd care to swap,
For my black and shiny tower with the Eye on the top!

-Rodgers and Hammerstein, The Lord of the Rings


Smaug the iron
Gondor


May 12 2016, 1:25pm

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"Pants-sickness, I've seen it before. That look. The terrible need. It is a fierce and jealous love, Bilbo. It sent his grandfather mad. [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Darkstone
Immortal


May 12 2016, 1:35pm

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"Now’s our chance! Go now! Head to the open pants!" // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

******************************************
Elves and Men and Dwarves gonna cower,
When I finish building my tower,
When I finish building my tower with the Eye on top!
Watch that Eye and see how it glowers,
Ain't no contest between the Two Towers,
Nosey folks'll peek thru' palantirs and their eyes will pop!
The battlement's black and immeasurably strong, an adamant mountain of iron,
A buttress of steel, impossibly tall, held aloft by the power of Sauron!
See that Eye a winkin' and blinkin',
Ain't no finer tower I'm thinkin',
You can keep Orthanc if you're thinkin' that I'd care to swap,
For my black and shiny tower with the Eye on the top!

-Rodgers and Hammerstein, The Lord of the Rings


LittleHobbit
Lorien

May 12 2016, 1:42pm

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Hm? [In reply to] Can't Post


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The unabridged audio book takes 10 hours


One should be able to read to oneself much more quickly than to read aloud. On the other hand, how long to read The Hobbit and also cross-reference all relevant passages from The Lord of the Rings and the Appendices?


Why should anyone read any parts of The Lord of the Rings itself to read all the material Jackson used for his adaptation of The Hobbit? Jackson only claims to have used The Hobbit itself and The Return of the King appendices. He never did, to my knowledge, make any reference to using any parts of LOTR (that is, except for the Appendices, which are not part of the main book).


(This post was edited by LittleHobbit on May 12 2016, 1:52pm)


dormouse
Half-elven


May 12 2016, 2:02pm

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"I have never used pants in my life." "And I hope you never have to..." // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .


ange1e4e5
Rohan

May 12 2016, 2:03pm

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"I freed his wretched head from his miserable pants." [In reply to] Can't Post

 

I always follow my job through.


ange1e4e5
Rohan

May 12 2016, 2:08pm

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"Do not come between the Nazgul and his pants." [In reply to] Can't Post

 

I always follow my job through.


Darkstone
Immortal


May 12 2016, 2:12pm

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"You've been busy of late, my pants." / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

******************************************
Elves and Men and Dwarves gonna cower,
When I finish building my tower,
When I finish building my tower with the Eye on top!
Watch that Eye and see how it glowers,
Ain't no contest between the Two Towers,
Nosey folks'll peek thru' palantirs and their eyes will pop!
The battlement's black and immeasurably strong, an adamant mountain of iron,
A buttress of steel, impossibly tall, held aloft by the power of Sauron!
See that Eye a winkin' and blinkin',
Ain't no finer tower I'm thinkin',
You can keep Orthanc if you're thinkin' that I'd care to swap,
For my black and shiny tower with the Eye on the top!

-Rodgers and Hammerstein, The Lord of the Rings

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