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Annael
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May 2 2016, 3:20pm
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How would you cast LOTR if it were made today?
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There are some actors I would keep: Ian McKellen, Ian Holm, Hugo Weaving, Cate Blanchett . . . maybe Elijah Wood. I'd try for Jeremy Irons for the Saruman role, or perhaps Charles Dance.
It always bothered me that the Men of Numenorean descent weren't all that tall, so I'd cast a bunch of 6'4" actors in those roles: Alexander Skarsgard as Aragorn, the Hemsworth brothers as Boromir (Chris) and Faramir (Liam).
Haven't got much beyond that. What do you think?
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Otaku-sempai
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May 2 2016, 3:27pm
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Well, Elijah Wood is no longer 19 years old and might make a better Frodo than he did back in the day.
Mark Fassbender for Aragorn?
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ange1e4e5
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May 3 2016, 3:48am
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I always follow my job through.
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May 4 2016, 1:38am
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...was perfect as Aragorn!!
I think Michael Fassbender was born to play a Tolkien part - Bard would be perfect for when they re-make those awful Hobbit films into one film...
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Annael
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May 4 2016, 4:51pm
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IMDB says he's 5'9" - and they usually pad actors' heights a bit.
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malickfan
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May 4 2016, 7:26pm
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Alternate Casting suggestions:
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Paul McGann-Aragorn
Charles Dance-Saruman
Patrick Stewart-Denethor
Eva Green-Galadriel
Colm Meaney-Bilbo
John Hurt-Gandalf
James Purefoy-Elrond
Michael Fassbender-Boromir
Gemma Arterton-Arwen
Mark Hamill-Theoden
I think David Bowie was linked to the role of Elrond when LOTR was in pre-production, he would have been a great choice
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May 10 2016, 3:50pm
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Certainly an interesting choice...
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Well, Elijah Wood is no longer 19 years old and might make a better Frodo than he did back in the day.
Mark Fassbender for Aragorn?
Fassbender is certainly an interesting choice and I could see him in a number of roles in LOTR, Aragorn, Elrond, Boromir, Faramir, etc.
If some kind of prequel were made I think he could work in a number of roles, Numenoreans, Celebrimbor or perhaps even Sauron in his Annatar form?
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Otaku-sempai
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May 10 2016, 4:04pm
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I'm not sure I would be comfortable with a prequel involving Annatar unless it could incorporate material from The Silmarillion and perhaps even Unfinished Tales. As for casting Sauron-as-Annatar, why not Benedict Cumberbatch?
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moreorless
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May 10 2016, 5:51pm
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I was thinking more second age...
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I'm not sure I would be comfortable with a prequel involving Annatar unless it could incorporate material from The Silmarillion and perhaps even Unfinished Tales. As for casting Sauron-as-Annatar, why not Benedict Cumberbatch?
Obviously the Sil is off limits at present but a second age plots with the forging of the rings and Numenor seem like they aren't and surely if one of them was made you would need Sauron as Annatar?
Fassbender for me would be well suited for that role, suitably noble looking but also with a potential darkness to him.I could potentially see Cumberbatch doing it as well although I think he has more of a natural air of strangeness about him that would make the deception a bit harder plus whilst he provided very heavily treated vocals for Sauron its clear Smaug was his main part and I could argue what he's now associated with.
For the same reasons I think he could be well suited to a few Sil characters if the rights were somehow sold, Feanor and Turin most obviously for me.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 10 2016, 7:31pm
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I was thinking more second age...
Obviously the Sil is off limits at present but a second age plots with the forging of the rings and Numenor seem like they aren't and surely if one of them was made you would need Sauron as Annatar?
I assumed that any movie that you wanted to feature Annatar would be set in the Second Age. However, the published Silmarillion includes both the "Akallabęth" ("The Downfall of Númenor") and "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age". Between them, these two works tell us much more about the people and events of the Second Age then we get from the LotR Appendices alone. I suggested Cumberbatch because we have already heard him as Sauron and I see no reason why he couldn't be Sauron as Annatar as well. Also his features are much more distinctive than Fassbender's more generically handsome good looks.
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May 10 2016, 10:38pm
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I personally had Adam Driver or Ben Foster in mind for Sauron/Annatar.
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May 10 2016, 10:41pm
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I'd also keep Sean Astin as Sam.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 11 2016, 3:04am
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I'm always a little surprised at how many American actors you favor for roles in Middle-earth movies. Although I'm sure that at least a few of them can carry it off.
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CaptainObvious
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May 11 2016, 10:44am
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The Hobbit movies totally needed more American actors.
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May 11 2016, 11:08am
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The Hobbit movies totally needed more American actors. All the actors in the hobbit where perfect casting plus the more British actors the better.
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May 11 2016, 11:58am
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I mostly had Adam Driver in mind after watching Star Wars: The Force Awakens where he played Kylo Ren, who has similar rank to Sauron during the First Age but there are fundamental differences, primarily the amount of conflict in Kylo Ren, which is primarily absent in Sauron.
I had Ben Foster in mind after watching 3:10 to Yuma where he played Charlie Prince, the right-hand of Ben Wade. Prince is fanatical and tough, taking the leadership of Wade's gang when Wade is captured and tries to free him.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 11 2016, 12:32pm
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The Hobbit movies totally needed more American actors.
The few American (and Canadian) actors in the Hobbit films were fine in their roles, but so were the other actors. Some actors are just terrible at attempting foreign accents (Keanu Reeves, anyone? Carrie Fisher?) and I would prefer to keep those far away from Middle-earth whether they are American or not.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 11 2016, 12:42pm
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I mostly had Adam Driver in mind after watching Star Wars: The Force Awakens where he played Kylo Ren, who has similar rank to Sauron during the First Age but there are fundamental differences, primarily the amount of conflict in Kylo Ren, which is primarily absent in Sauron.
Well, I would argue that Sauron was one of Morgoth's most capable lieutenants, who managed in some ways to surpass his master, while Kylo Ren was a whiney little punk with daddy issues and messed-up priorities. Adam Driver did play his role well, I guess, but I don't know that he could command the kind of fear and respect that Sauron represents.
I had Ben Foster in mind after watching 3:10 to Yuma where he played Charlie Prince, the right-hand of Ben Wade. Prince is fanatical and tough, taking the leadership of Wade's gang when Wade is captured and tries to free him.
If the role of Annatar is made available then let Foster (and Driver for that matter) audition and we'll see how the chips fall out. However, if I were the casting director then I would offer the role to Cumberbatch first with no audition required. To me the decision is a no-brainer.
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May 12 2016, 2:36am
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The Hobbit movies totally needed more American actors. All the actors in the hobbit where perfect casting plus the more British actors the better.
So you would have rather Lee Pace not played Thranduil, Viggo Mortensen hadn't played Aragorn, Sean Astin and Elijah Wood hadn't played Frodo and Sam. Brad Dourif hadn't played Grima Wormtongue, and so on? Agree to disagree.
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May 12 2016, 2:52am
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I thought that Viggo Mortensen was Danish.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 12 2016, 3:14am
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I thought that Viggo Mortensen was Danish.
Viggo Mortensen is Danish-American, born in New York City.
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May 12 2016, 4:05am
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People confuse him for Danish all the time.
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So you would have rather Lee Pace not played Thranduil, Viggo Mortensen hadn't played Aragorn, Sean Astin and Elijah Wood hadn't played Frodo and Sam. Brad Dourif hadn't played Grima Wormtongue, and so on? Agree to disagree. I said that the casting in the hobbit was perfect and that would mean that Lee Pace was perfect casting to, plus I never said that I don't like the American actors in LOTR, quite the opposites. I could not imagine any other actor playing Aragorn, Sam, Frodo and so on. What I meant was that the hobbit do not need American actors to be good films and that nearly everyone who is in Middle-earth has an English accent so the more people from the UK the better.
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May 12 2016, 6:56pm
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moreorless
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May 13 2016, 11:39am
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I was thinking more second age...
Obviously the Sil is off limits at present but a second age plots with the forging of the rings and Numenor seem like they aren't and surely if one of them was made you would need Sauron as Annatar? I assumed that any movie that you wanted to feature Annatar would be set in the Second Age. However, the published Silmarillion includes both the "Akallabęth" ("The Downfall of Númenor") and "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age". Between them, these two works tell us much more about the people and events of the Second Age then we get from the LotR Appendices alone. I suggested Cumberbatch because we have already heard him as Sauron and I see no reason why he couldn't be Sauron as Annatar as well. Also his features are much more distinctive than Fassbender's more generically handsome good looks.
Unlike much of whats int he Sil those events are also covered by LOTR hence an adaptation could legally be made of them. Honestly for me as well I think the real challenge of any adaptation would be the same whichever source you adapated them from, creating the characters and personal drama.
I'm sure Cumberbatch could play the role but again I don't think its something he's strongly associated with as he is with Smaug. As I think Fassbender sells a sense of flawed nobility better for me which I think would work well for such a role, his Magneto being the obvious example.
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