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Gaffer Gamgee
Bree


Apr 22 2008, 11:59pm

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My best guess.... [In reply to] Can't Post

OK, I'll try and go through this top to bottom.
"Hal familiar, half unknown" is that we have already seen half the riddle in The Hobbit, and half of it is made by someone else.
'A thing it is, "It almost is-"' I will try to explain - I believe that he means we add on the following answer to this sentence. The answer to the following paragraph, is, of course, time - unless he's trying to trick us and there's actually another meaning. So therefore, 'A thing it is, "It almost is-" time. It almost is time. that is my guess. Then it gets hard.
"The day of the moon will be
when all is revealed to thee
Questions will cease
Answers will please
WeŽll learn of the Shire
and all you desire."
The day of the moon - possibly Monday, as some have said, and also possibly actually referring to the next full moon - though maybe that's too obvious. Though, one question - is there some reference to "Moon day" anywhere in The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, or even possibly The Silmarillion? Because that might give us some clue if he's really getting into this...the rest, as far as I can tell, is just saying that that is the time that we will know about this. So we will know about it on a Monday, or maybe the next full moon, or on an actual 'Moon day' possibly referred to in one of Tolkien's works.
At ten minus Three.
Joining to be
Ten minus Eight
Add to the slate
of the two dozen princes
that die without winces.
And add to each day of
the week.
At ten minus three - seven - joining to be ten minus eight - two - which either makes 72 or 9 - the two dozen princes that die without winces, possibly referring to instant death - beheading? poison? or it may possibly be referring to not actual living princes - one idea I had was stars, which die each morning, fading from sight. The two dozen could be referring to a star constellation with two dozen stars in it. slightly poetic, and I'm probably reading too much into this and boring the lot of you, but anyway....getting back on track, 72 plus 24 makes 96 and 9 plus 24 makes 33. No idea which is right, but we'll move on. And I've no idea where the winces come in, it might just be to rhyme. Add to each day of the week....notice it doesn't say 'add to that the days of the week'. Which makes it wierd....like me! Crazy It could just mean 7, but somehow I don't think so. So all I've got is something like, It is almost time. Monday 96 (or 33, or maybe a star constellation) possibly plus seven. So that means something like, 96 hours after Monday, it will be revealed. Reminding me....Monday to what part of the world? Coz I'm in Aus here....It may mean the time zone that Guillermo is from, Spain apparently, or it may be NZ, or maybe USA for all I know. Following the star constellation idea, it may mean that all will be revealed at the first time after Monday that this certain star constellation is seen. Anyway, that's my best attempt at this. My first post, possibly my longest.....that was fun! But I'm guessing that you guys don't want any more riddles....oh well. I'll look for them somewhere else.
Such are the first words of the Gaffer, following the challenge of the riddle.

Heed the words of the Gaffer. For even if they not be wise, they are worth listenning to.


Gaffer Gamgee
Bree


Apr 23 2008, 12:27am

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ANZAC day [In reply to] Can't Post

It's ANZAC day on Friday in Aus too!

Heed the words of the Gaffer. For even if they not be wise, they are worth listenning to.


Sunflower
Valinor

Apr 23 2008, 3:35am

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You do realize.... [In reply to] Can't Post

that right now, we are all like Gandalf before the Doors of Moria. Throwing out every spell that has ever been uttered in ME. The answer is probably so absurdly easy and right before our eyes....it'll be, in hindsight, like "speak 'Friend' and enter"

When we do find out the answer, I am printing out this thread and saving it forever. The Riddle is now legend.


Eldameldo
Bree

Apr 23 2008, 4:13am

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I agree... [In reply to] Can't Post

This has been fabulous! I've done nothing much else but try to figure it all out since it was posted. Laugh
I can be found wandering the house muttering the last segment over and over and over.
It was a brilliant move on their part to do this.




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that right now, we are all like Gandalf before the Doors of Moria. Throwing out every spell that has ever been uttered in ME. The answer is probably so absurdly easy and right before our eyes....it'll be, in hindsight, like "speak 'Friend' and enter"

When we do find out the answer, I am printing out this thread and saving it forever. The Riddle is now legend.


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