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Middle-earth Read-a-thon

Mironiel
The Shire


Nov 13 2015, 3:34pm

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Middle-earth Read-a-thon Can't Post

In honor of The Story of Kullervo, Tolkien's new book, I'm doing a read-a-thon of all the middle-earth books in order of events(the events in the Silmarillion happened first), and I'm inviting you to do the same! Smile You can update your progress here,(or rant about all the feels ;)). I'm thinking of tackling one book per month, and ending in April when The Story of Kullervo comes out! At the end of each month we can have a discussion on what things you liked and didn't like etc. This month's book is the Silmarillion. I know it's the middle of November, so if your not finished it by the end November, it doesn't matter, as the Hobbit(December's book) is short and not hard to read.
Happy reading!


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CuriousG
Half-elven


Nov 13 2015, 10:21pm

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Sounds like fun! [In reply to] Can't Post

I wish I could keep up. We'll see.


Mironiel
The Shire


Nov 14 2015, 7:48pm

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:D [In reply to] Can't Post

Ok Smile


noWizardme
Valinor


Nov 15 2015, 10:50am

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Welcome to the Reading Roon, Mironiel - Interesting project [In reply to] Can't Post

Hope it all goes well - you have set yourself a lot of reading! I'll be interested to see people's 'book level' thoughts on your thread(s) and how they complement the 'chapter level' thoughts that the read-throughs throw up so well.

At some point early in 2016 I expect, you'll whizz past Two Towers Book IV, which we will still be discussing in detail in the one-chapter-a-week style of our 'read-throughs'. So please feel very welcome to join us for that as well. Or indeed, feel free to join the read-through right away and forever - all are welcome!

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Two Towers Read-through: Now looking for volunteers to lead chapters in Book IV: http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=878725#878725

The Book III schedule and links:
week starts # Chapter # Chapter name # leader # URL of thread
13-Sep-15 # I # The Departure of Boromir # MirielCelebel http://goo.gl/zpn7Rg
20-Sep-15 # II # The Riders of Rohan # Brethil (Part 1) http://goo.gl/yKNv7E (2) http://goo.gl/mxesBG
27-Sep-15 # III # The Uruk-hai # cats16 http://goo.gl/LUWJi1
04-Oct-15 # IV # Treebeard # Mikah http://goo.gl/2CqCXS
11-Oct-15 # V # The White Rider # Entwife Wandlimb  http://goo.gl/VXb2Ni
18-Oct-15 # VI # The King of the Golden Hall # squire (Part 1) http://goo.gl/cpEvnI, (2) http://goo.gl/BBTzvR, (3) http://goo.gl/yN7QLq, (4) http://goo.gl/7726S3 (5) http://goo.gl/VC7Abc
25-Oct-15 # VII # Helm's Deep # arithmancer  (Part 1) http://goo.gl/E6gVUC, (2) http://goo.gl/5aRuq0
01-Nov-15 # VIII # The Road to Isengard # Darkstone (Part 1)http://goo.gl/rdE1xG (2) http://goo.gl/54rxDw (3)http://goo.gl/Y0ZDwz (4) http://goo.gl/XVgXCx (5) http://goo.gl/Ph0O7k
08-Nov-15 # IX # Flotsam and Jetsam # Enanito (Part 1) http://goo.gl/GddHbU (2) http://goo.gl/5Z6MQU
15-Nov-15 # X # The Voice of Saruman # jochenkeen 
22-Nov-15 # XI # The Palantir # Elizabeth

A wonderful list of links to previous read-throughs is curated by our very own 'squire' here http://users.bestweb.net/...-SixthDiscussion.htm


Mironiel
The Shire


Nov 15 2015, 3:18pm

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Yeah I've given myself a lot to read [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah I guess I've given myself a lot to read XD but I love Tolkien so much that it doesn't seem that much. I'd love to join the 'read-throughs', because I love discussing Tolkien in great depth, and unfortunately, most of my friends don't like to do that.


noWizardme
Valinor


Nov 15 2015, 5:04pm

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It looks like you just found your tribe... :) [In reply to] Can't Post


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I love discussing Tolkien in great depth, and unfortunately, most of my friends don't like to do that.


It looks like you just found your tribe: if there is a limit to the depth in which we like to discuss Tolkien here, it has yet to be reached. Smile

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Two Towers Read-through: Now looking for volunteers to lead chapters in Book IV: http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=878725#878725

The Book III schedule and links:
13-Sep-15 # I # The Departure of Boromir # MirielCelebel http://goo.gl/zpn7Rg
20-Sep-15 # II # The Riders of Rohan # Brethil (Part 1) http://goo.gl/yKNv7E (2) http://goo.gl/mxesBG
27-Sep-15 # III # The Uruk-hai # cats16 http://goo.gl/LUWJi1
04-Oct-15 # IV # Treebeard # Mikah http://goo.gl/2CqCXS
11-Oct-15 # V # The White Rider # Entwife Wandlimb  http://goo.gl/VXb2Ni
18-Oct-15 # VI # The King of the Golden Hall # squire (Part 1) http://goo.gl/cpEvnI, (2) http://goo.gl/BBTzvR, (3) http://goo.gl/yN7QLq, (4) http://goo.gl/7726S3 (5) http://goo.gl/VC7Abc
25-Oct-15 # VII # Helm's Deep # arithmancer  (Part 1) http://goo.gl/E6gVUC, (2) http://goo.gl/5aRuq0
01-Nov-15 # VIII # The Road to Isengard # Darkstone (Part 1)http://goo.gl/rdE1xG (2) http://goo.gl/54rxDw (3)http://goo.gl/Y0ZDwz (4) http://goo.gl/XVgXCx (5) http://goo.gl/Ph0O7k
08-Nov-15 # IX # Flotsam and Jetsam # Enanito (Part 1) http://goo.gl/GddHbU (2) http://goo.gl/5Z6MQU
15-Nov-15 # X # The Voice of Saruman # jochenkeen  (Part 1) http://goo.gl/1voDsc
22-Nov-15 # XI # The Palantir # Elizabeth


A wonderful list of links to previous read-throughs is curated by our very own 'squire' here http://users.bestweb.net/...-SixthDiscussion.htm


Mironiel
The Shire


Nov 16 2015, 7:47pm

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Yup [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah I'd love to join the discussions! I was just wondering, is the Helm's Deep discussion still going or is it finished?
Book update: I'm on page 80 of The Sil and it's just as amazing as when I first read it! I swear, every time I re-read a Tolkien book I find there are like a million things I missed last time I read that book. Also, I have a question for anyone who'd care to answer it: Is Feanor a villain or a hero? I've read the Sil like three times before now, and I still can't decide.


noWizardme
Valinor


Nov 16 2015, 8:46pm

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Our threads go ever on and on.... [In reply to] Can't Post

If you want to comment on an old thread, just go ahead. The threads are never shut unless an admin locks them (e.g. because of an unseemly squabble). Such cases are rare, and you'd see a padlock icon.

The forum software doesn't promote a newly-replied-to thread back to the first page but the person you reply to will get a notification and so will anyone who has clicked the "watch thread" button. Your post will be visible in a couple of other ways too, so very likely you'll get some replies.

Thanks for the update on your reading!

Feanor is without doubt one of Tolkien's more complex characters strangely enough I was recently likening him to Saruman in our current chapter http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=883864#883864 They both cause a lot of problems by forcing their vision of things on everyone else.

If you have an appetite for yet more reading, specifically of old Reading room discussions, our last go at The Fight Of the Noldor is still on show here; http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=596226#596226

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Two Towers Read-through: Now looking for volunteers to lead chapters in Book IV: http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=878725#878725

The Book III schedule and links:
13-Sep-15 # I # The Departure of Boromir # MirielCelebel http://goo.gl/zpn7Rg
20-Sep-15 # II # The Riders of Rohan # Brethil (Part 1) http://goo.gl/yKNv7E (2) http://goo.gl/mxesBG
27-Sep-15 # III # The Uruk-hai # cats16 http://goo.gl/LUWJi1
04-Oct-15 # IV # Treebeard # Mikah http://goo.gl/2CqCXS
11-Oct-15 # V # The White Rider # Entwife Wandlimb  http://goo.gl/VXb2Ni
18-Oct-15 # VI # The King of the Golden Hall # squire (Part 1) http://goo.gl/cpEvnI, (2) http://goo.gl/BBTzvR, (3) http://goo.gl/yN7QLq, (4) http://goo.gl/7726S3 (5) http://goo.gl/VC7Abc
25-Oct-15 # VII # Helm's Deep # arithmancer  (Part 1) http://goo.gl/E6gVUC, (2) http://goo.gl/5aRuq0
01-Nov-15 # VIII # The Road to Isengard # Darkstone (Part 1)http://goo.gl/rdE1xG (2) http://goo.gl/54rxDw (3)http://goo.gl/Y0ZDwz (4) http://goo.gl/XVgXCx (5) http://goo.gl/Ph0O7k
08-Nov-15 # IX # Flotsam and Jetsam # Enanito (Part 1) http://goo.gl/GddHbU (2) http://goo.gl/5Z6MQU
15-Nov-15 # X # The Voice of Saruman # jochenkeen  (Part 1) http://goo.gl/1voDsc
22-Nov-15 # XI # The Palantir # Elizabeth


A wonderful list of links to previous read-throughs is curated by our very own 'squire' here http://users.bestweb.net/...-SixthDiscussion.htm


Mironiel
The Shire


Nov 16 2015, 10:16pm

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Well I'd love to join in on the Helm's Deep disscusion [In reply to] Can't Post

I plan on joining in on the Helm's Deep discussion, then, because Helm's Deep is my favorite battle from LOTR!
That's an interesting answer! I feel like Feanor's character is a little to complex for me to really ever understand. Crazy


squire
Half-elven


Nov 16 2015, 11:30pm

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My take on Feanor is 'tragic hero' [In reply to] Can't Post

That is, for all of his admirable qualities he is destroyed by a fatal flaw in his character.

That said, I don't think he is Tolkien's best-crafted literary figure. The problem is probably that Feanor comes out of the earliest tales of what became Middle-earth, when Tolkien was much more committed to creating mythic tales, in which the heroes are archetypal rather than humanized. Then, following his own instincts, as he fleshed out the tale of the Silmarils in the 1930s, he tried to give Feanor more realistic dialogue and motivations. I think he was unable to achieve the balance between these two styles and Feanor falls into the cracks (not those cracks, of course! but similar).

Of course, writing the Sil and The Hobbit proved excellent practice in this difficult quest for a modern Myth/Romance. By the time The Lord of the Rings was underway Tolkien was a much much better author. That's why the parts of the Sil that he rewrote in the 1950s, after LotR was done, are so much better as stories to read (see the ones about Tuor and Hurin in Unfinished Tales and Children of Hurin).

And even with all that progress, notice that the latter tales I point to are about the Men, not the Elves, of the First Age. I think Tolkien had real problems writing Myths that spoke to human readers (us) that feature inhuman, immortal, supremely gifted creatures (Elves). If they're as imperfect as Men (like Feanor or Thingol, for instance), what makes them different from (Heroic) Men? If they're so far above us as Men say they are (in the tales), how are we supposed to identify with them? So again, Feanor, an excellent Promethean character in concept, stumbles and falls as someone we ever want to care about.



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Mikah
Lorien

Nov 17 2015, 12:05am

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As Squire so rightly points out... [In reply to] Can't Post

Feanor is a tragic figure indeed. He is a most complicated figure, isn't he? I think that is why I like him so much. It is interesting what an important character he turns out to be. It was his actions that fueled all of the events in the Sil. His grandson's creation of the ring's also triggered the later events of Middle Earth. I would definitely call him powerful and the word bad-ass also comes to mind when thinking of him. I am a bit reluctant to call him either a hero or villain though. I find him a bit too complicated to be pigeonholed in that regard. You know, kind of like Jaimie Lannister in Game of Thrones. When I think of hero, I thing of maybe, Fingolfin. When I think of villain I think of Morgoth or Sauron.


I do not by any stretch believe Feanor was evil. He had at that time suffered losses in Valinor which nobody else at the time suffered. You know, the death of his mother, a broken family, remarriage of his father, the murder of his father, and the theft of his beloved jewels. Feanor does sometimes get a bad rap, but I wonder how anyone else in Middle Earth would have handled such tragic events. He is my favorite character in all of Middle Earth. I will be curious to see what conclusion you eventually draw from him, after your latest reading!


Mikah
Lorien

Nov 17 2015, 12:06am

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Oh..and by the way! [In reply to] Can't Post

Welcome and we are so glad to have you!


Mironiel
The Shire


Nov 17 2015, 3:03am

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I think Feanor's fatal flaw is rashness/anger [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm pretty sure Feanor's fatal flaw is rashness/anger(kinda fits with his nickname, doesn't it) He's always doing something rashly or in anger. He's also pretty rude...but he's one of my favorite characters because he has sass...he literally slammed his doors in the face of Morgoth, mightiest dweller in Ea...0_o and after having called him names too! (btw anyone who says Tolkien isn't funny should go read that part, it's on page 75)
Interesting point about that the Elves are supposed to be far higher than Men .They are immortal, and talented above the measure of Men, plus bad ass and all the good stuff, but they aren't perfect. They can't be. Even the Valar and Maiar aren't 'perfect'. They can fall too, like the Balrogs, Sauron and Morgoth did. Even Osse almost joined with Morgoth, and the Valar/Maiar are higher than the Elves. So I guess that when Tolkien says they are perfect, he means that they are perfect in things like singing, crafting things etc. Idk but that's just my opinion.


Mironiel
The Shire


Nov 17 2015, 3:09am

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Feanor [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes there's certainly something fascinating about Feanor, isn't there. He seems capable of being evil, and indeed, some of his actions are rather villainous, but at the same time he does so many good things too. He's also one of my favorite characters of Tolkien's. Not THE favorite character, but he's up there.
Thanks! I glad to be here XD


noWizardme
Valinor


Nov 17 2015, 9:05am

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I agree - faced with threats to the things he loves, he lashes out with all his (considerable) powers [In reply to] Can't Post

At the crisis of The FLight Of The Noldor - 'the things he loves' are his father (just murdered by Morgoth) and his silmarils.

It could be argued that the difficult of coping with losing what you love is a repeated Tolkien theme: It happens to the LOTR elves, to Frodo and to many others.

Also - great reply by squire. I personally would have loved to see Feanor 'novellized' (that is written in the more novel-like style of LOTR rather than in the more distancing mythic style we see in the Silmarillion. ). As with other characters in the Sil. we see flashes of their personalities, but are left to infer a lot about their motivations etc. .

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Two Towers Read-through: Now looking for volunteers to lead chapters in Book IV: http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=878725#878725

The Book III schedule and links:
13-Sep-15 # I # The Departure of Boromir # MirielCelebel http://goo.gl/zpn7Rg
20-Sep-15 # II # The Riders of Rohan # Brethil (Part 1) http://goo.gl/yKNv7E (2) http://goo.gl/mxesBG
27-Sep-15 # III # The Uruk-hai # cats16 http://goo.gl/LUWJi1
04-Oct-15 # IV # Treebeard # Mikah http://goo.gl/2CqCXS
11-Oct-15 # V # The White Rider # Entwife Wandlimb  http://goo.gl/VXb2Ni
18-Oct-15 # VI # The King of the Golden Hall # squire (Part 1) http://goo.gl/cpEvnI, (2) http://goo.gl/BBTzvR, (3) http://goo.gl/yN7QLq, (4) http://goo.gl/7726S3 (5) http://goo.gl/VC7Abc
25-Oct-15 # VII # Helm's Deep # arithmancer  (Part 1) http://goo.gl/E6gVUC, (2) http://goo.gl/5aRuq0
01-Nov-15 # VIII # The Road to Isengard # Darkstone (Part 1)http://goo.gl/rdE1xG (2) http://goo.gl/54rxDw (3)http://goo.gl/Y0ZDwz (4) http://goo.gl/XVgXCx (5) http://goo.gl/Ph0O7k
08-Nov-15 # IX # Flotsam and Jetsam # Enanito (Part 1) http://goo.gl/GddHbU (2) http://goo.gl/5Z6MQU
15-Nov-15 # X # The Voice of Saruman # jochenkeen  (Part 1) http://goo.gl/1voDsc (2)http://goo.gl/JONRh2
22-Nov-15 # XI # The Palantir # Elizabeth
Book IV starts 3 January 2016!!

A wonderful list of links to previous read-throughs is curated by our very own 'squire' here http://users.bestweb.net/...-SixthDiscussion.htm


Mironiel
The Shire


Nov 17 2015, 12:07pm

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Feanor acts like a rebellious, spoilt teeenager [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah seeing Feanor as a 'novelised' character would have been awesome. Sadly all we have is a distant, historical figure :/ It just occurred to me that Feanor acts somewhat like a rebellious, spoilt teenager. The Valar gave so much the Eldar, and he accused them of all sorts of things and was extremely ungrateful.


Meneldor
Valinor


Nov 18 2015, 12:49am

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Agreed, he really knew how to throw a temper tantrum. [In reply to] Can't Post

I liked Feanor and saw him as a hero, albeit a flawed one who makes mistakes, right up until he burned the white swanships of the Teleri. As a master craftsman, he really should have known that you don't just go around wantonly obliterating other craftsmen's masterpieces. I lost the last of my sympathy for him at that point.


They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters, these see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep. -Psalm 107


Mironiel
The Shire


Nov 18 2015, 4:10pm

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I was really mad when he burned the ships [In reply to] Can't Post

I kinda lost it when he burned the ships too. I loved those ships...they were so cool! But I still like Feanor...I'm sort of fascinated by him for some reason.


Mironiel
The Shire


Nov 27 2015, 7:39pm

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Reading update [In reply to] Can't Post

SO I just finished chapter 10(Of the Sindar) and I just realised how much of an awesome character Thingol is. He's another of those characters that I wish were 'novelized'. I've heard from a lot of people, though, that they don't like Thingol, and I've always wondered why. Sure, he's a bit strict and whatnot, but he's certainly more mature about things that Feanor!(kinda funny when he was burning the ships, his own son, Maedhros, acted more mature than him) Doriath is also a place I'd to live in. *sighs*
It was also interesting to see the relationship between the Elves and the Dwarves.

 
 

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