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Battle of the Five Armies EE: Appendices Reaction Thread (Spoilers!)
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nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 4:01am

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see you all tomorrow....

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something."

"What are we holding onto, Sam?"

"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo... and it's worth fighting for."

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nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 4:26am

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Okay, two great nuggets from the appendices [In reply to] Can't Post

1) PJ says in the intro video they had no idea what they were doing (!)
2) The Gandalf dummy from Dol Guldur is on the call sheet as Michael Gambon (lol!!)

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something."

"What are we holding onto, Sam?"

"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo... and it's worth fighting for."

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Dcole4
Rohan

Oct 20 2015, 4:29am

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1) Kind of sad that the production was so crazy. I love the movies but I sincerely wish they had just pushed the whole endeavor back a year to plan it properly.

2) Super funny about the dummy. He's often made Gambon jokes, all in good fun of course.

Let us know if you spot any deleted scenes or glimpses of footage like the DOS EE. Can't wait to watch the appendices!


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nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 4:35am

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1) Kind of sad that the production was so crazy. I love the movies but I sincerely wish they had just pushed the whole endeavor back a year to plan it properly.

2) Super funny about the dummy. He's often made Gambon jokes, all in good fun of course.

Let us know if you spot any deleted scenes or glimpses of footage like the DOS EE. Can't wait to watch the appendices!


I have the privilege of being a super nerd with a very good job that lets me take whatever time off I want, so I'll be up all night watching before revisiting the film tomorrow. I'll do my best to point things out, but I want to actually let this stuff seep into me, too. So far, though, the first 30 minutes has been just fantastic. Smiles, laughter, and just good times all around.

One more little nugget from Christopher Lee:

"That's what it's all about: to be seen, and to be remembered."

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something."

"What are we holding onto, Sam?"

"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo... and it's worth fighting for."


ThorinsNemesis
Lorien

Oct 20 2015, 4:41am

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You watched the Appendices? [In reply to] Can't Post

If yes, can you tell me if PJ or anyone said something about the scene with the palantir in Dol Guldur? Smile



LSF
Gondor

Oct 20 2015, 4:42am

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I'm about to break down and buy it...

I can't see a part where they tell you how it works. So do the appendices stream or do you have to download those too? My laptop would probably explode if it had to download ten hours of hd footage like that


nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 4:47am

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No Palantir! [In reply to] Can't Post


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If yes, can you tell me if PJ or anyone said something about the scene with the palantir in Dol Guldur? Smile


No mention of the Palantir in the Dol Guldur section, sorry! There's still a minute but they're just being silly now.

Cate Blanchett admits she didn't want it to and, and is (at the time of recording the documentary footage) still hoping beyond hope she gets to come back and play Galadriel again. She says this in the context of reshoots, but hey... at least we know she'd be interested in reprising her role in The Silmarillion :-)

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something."

"What are we holding onto, Sam?"

"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo... and it's worth fighting for."


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Oct 20 2015, 4:50am

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*grumble* So jealous... *grumble* *grumble* [In reply to] Can't Post

This is what I get for seeing the movie early. You digital download folks get to enjoy the sugary goodness of the Appendices a whole month before I do.

Mad

Tongue

"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen


nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 4:51am

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I'm about to break down and buy it...

I can't see a part where they tell you how it works. So do the appendices stream or do you have to download those too? My laptop would probably explode if it had to download ten hours of hd footage like that


On a computer, you can definitely stream all of the appendices -- only the movie has the option to download with the latest version of iTunes Extras (as they call it.)

On any iOS device running iOS 8.0 or higher, every extra can be streamed and the movie can be downloaded!

And on an Apple TV (how I'm watching tonight/tomorrow), you stream everything! Apple's servers are VERY fast, so don't worry about speed - it should look and sound great no matter what device you use.

One thing to note - just like previous versions, the filmmaker's commentary track is exclusive to disc versions - it's not a supported feature on digital releases. I buy both because I like to watch on my iPad when I'm traveling, and I like the Apple ecosystem. Anyway, I'm rambling. Hope that helps!

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something."

"What are we holding onto, Sam?"

"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo... and it's worth fighting for."


nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 4:53am

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I saw it in theaters too :-) [In reply to] Can't Post


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This is what I get for seeing the movie early. You digital download folks get to enjoy the sugary goodness of the Appendices a whole month before I do.

Mad

Tongue


I'm just SO thrilled the EE was so good. And now these appendices are doing it for me in a HUGE way.

By the way - PJ is not interviewed for Andrew Lesnie's tribute, but PB is. It's very emotional and features a great montage of him being silly or lovable on set.

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something."

"What are we holding onto, Sam?"

"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo... and it's worth fighting for."

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ThorinsNemesis
Lorien

Oct 20 2015, 4:56am

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Oh well... [In reply to] Can't Post

Guess we'll never hear or see anything regarding that palantir scene Unsure.



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nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 4:57am

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You never know! [In reply to] Can't Post


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Guess we'll never hear or see anything regarding that scene Unsure.


I've watched only 35 minutes of 10 hours so far! But I definitely finished the Dol Guldur video in Part 11. If I see any mention of Palantir, I'll say something :-)

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer." - Samwise

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ThorinsNemesis
Lorien

Oct 20 2015, 4:59am

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Thanks [In reply to] Can't Post

I appreciate that Smile.



nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 5:06am

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A family affair! [In reply to] Can't Post

Family that has appeared so far:

*Cate Blanchett's son
*Orlando Bloom's mom as a Lake-Town Extra
*Orlando Bloom's son! (Didn't know he was a daddy)

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer." - Samwise


ThorinsNemesis
Lorien

Oct 20 2015, 5:12am

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^^I didn't know Orlando Bloom has a son, too Shocked



nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 5:31am

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Smaug's death shot! [In reply to] Can't Post

Was based, at the hands of senior animator Graham Binding, on Tolkien's sketch which graces the cover of the 1968 Unwin paperback release of The Hobbit.

I feel like I need to track down that book now. What a great but of insight!

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer." - Samwise


nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 5:35am

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I'm a couple of hours behind, but I just looked ahead, and there's footage of an unused payoff to the "Acorn Scene"! So excited, but I gotta watch chronologically!

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer." - Samwise


nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 5:46am

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A hilarious gag where it appears a helicopter carries away a port-a-potty... with Andy Serkis in it. I love it.

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer." - Samwise


ThorinsNemesis
Lorien

Oct 20 2015, 6:07am

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^^Acorn scene?! [In reply to] Can't Post

Do you think maybe after you watch it you can describe what happens in the scene with the Acorn? :)



nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 6:11am

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Do you think maybe after you watch it you can describe what happens in the scene with the Acorn? :)


Yes, of course! I have about 90 minutes to go before I get there though - it will be around 4am my time when I get to it. But get to it I shall, with ThorinsNemesis as my witness!!!

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer." - Samwise


nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 6:22am

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Ryan Gage had to actually muck slowly through Lake Pukaki, which according to a crew member is one of the coldest lakes in the world. At one point, he expresses trepidation about having to hold an extra underwater as he climbs over her, which I'd never really thought about before.

Anyway, those two seemed to be the only ones who had to be actually submerged, which maybe explains Alfrid's "WHHHHYYYYY MEEEEEEEE" a little bit.

Also - they used a group of about 10-15 kids to record background sounds of Laketown citizens suffering on the lakes. Pretty amusing.

Also also - Ryan Gage's pants split apart at the crotch when they picked him up to tear him apart... and even after being sewed, they split again at every single take. Funny.

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer." - Samwise

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nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 6:30am

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We get to see the production pointing out that Gandalf's hat is off when he leaves Dol Guldur, and back on his head in the next shot he appears in. Part of a larger feature about continuity errors.

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer." - Samwise


nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 6:41am

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As we all know, PJ had no time to prep these movies. In the appendices, it's discussed in serial what shooting every day with virtually no prep was like - "laying down the tracks directly in front of the train." It's insane.

That environment apparently remained for the entire length of the shoot.

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer." - Samwise


nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 6:55am

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The point at which Thorin has his dragon sickness-induced hallucination... was written in the script as "Thorin sees his reflection in a gold plate." And they didn't know what they were going to do with the scene until a month before the film was due to WB. The moment with the gold floor was a revelation - they didn't even think about that floor being full of gold from the melted statue at the end of the second film.

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer." - Samwise


nusilver
Rohan


Oct 20 2015, 6:59am

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Often in the last couple weeks of shooting, the PAINT WAS STILL WET on set!!

"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer." - Samwise

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