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Meneldor
Valinor
Oct 3 2015, 11:25pm
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What a shame. That kind of history can't ever be replaced.
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters, these see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep. -Psalm 107
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Withywindle
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Oct 4 2015, 5:14am
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That is plain wrong. The critical response to DOS was pretty clearly the best out of the three. AUJ and BOFTA reviews were lukewarm overall. How can you say, especially the last two? Just because AUJ is probably your favourite of the three does not change the fact that DOS was received better
Personally, i enjoyed reading all the reviews from all directions, the positive and the negative ones. I was pretty surprised to find out that most of the positive elements pointed out by the majority of the reviewers were not in my top list of personal preferences. The same applied with the negative ones. Almost none of the negative aspects, according to them, matched my own
gripes and parts i disliked.
I think he just used the last two because the user which he responded to was saying that they were greatly acclaimed. There was nothing in his post saying that AUJ was his favorite. Yes, DOS was received the best, but it was still not very well received. I did what he suggested to the other user. On rottentomatoes from top critics: AUJ: 46% "rotten", DOS: 66% "certified fresh", and BotFA: 49% "rotten". Going through each movie I noticed that the number of critics goes down. AUJ: 48, DOS: 44, BotFA: 41. If the same number of critics reviewed each one then the movie could either have gotten a much higher rating or lower. It does not really matter about their opinion, though, but just what you think was the best.
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CamdenMcAndrews
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Oct 4 2015, 5:46am
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... if you want to just say that all critics are bollocks and untrustworthy, then we can just go ahead and chuck out all critics ...
Good plan! 
Reviewers, I trust. They tell you about their experience with the films, usually telling us what's in the work and sometimes providing interesting background information.
Critics are just twits trying to bolster their tiny egos by tearing down the works of others. I've not seen a single one with any talent or expertise applicable to the subject.
Of course we see a lot of self-proclaimed "critics" babbling on about nearly everything these days. Anybody can claim to be a critic about anything. There has been a marked change across the Internet starting some time around 2008; it is the advent of the Age of the Troll, everywhere. They create innumerable sock puppets to come in on YouTube and the discussion boards to support their arguments. They deface articles in the Wikipedia by using sock puppets to insert links to their own click-hungry web sites. And they do it all anonymously.
Meanwhile, they cling to the volume of artificial noise they have made on the net while the Hobbit film trilogy continues to be among the highest-grossing movies in the entire history of cinema.
More amusement: The origin of the term "troll" on the net really didn't have anything to do with Tom, Bert, and William or any of their relatives. It derives from the fishing term, dragging bait through the water to see if you can get something hooked. It started out as "trolling for trouble" and, as such things tend to do, evolved to its shorter form.
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CamdenMcAndrews
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Oct 4 2015, 6:06am
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Meanwhile, back at the original topic for this thread...
If Peter Jackson and the folks in New Zealand were looking for ideas about what to do next, I'd say: Do a series on "Tarzan of the Apes." (Hey, I can dream!)
Among the hundreds of films made about the character created by Edgar Rice Burroughs, only one ("Greystoke") has even tried to be faithful to the original story. I'd love to see the Wingnuts and Wetas tackle that one! I think they have the talent, resources, and technology to finally do a fantastic job of bringing the original story to the screen.
One might be tempted to point out that a bazillion films have already been made about the Tarzan, but in fact, although all those films capitalized on the character's name, only "Greystoke" is really about him; and even "Greystoke" took unnecessary license with the story, and only told half of it.
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dormouse
Half-elven
Oct 4 2015, 8:02am
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Wasn't there something Peter Jackson talked about filming....
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...or bought the rights to or something - a story about a ship. I think I can vaguely remember the idea, but no details.
And on your general point yes, I think it would be interesting. His King Kong was a film I had no interest in until I saw it on TV - then it won me over by the way the story was told. I'd certainly take an interest in any future films of his.
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Starling
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Oct 4 2015, 8:27am
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What should Peter Jackson do now?
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This is an oldie, but quite an interesting read in light of the topic of this thread.
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dormouse
Half-elven
Oct 4 2015, 9:44am
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That is an interesting read...
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...not that old, and I for one hadn't seen it before. Very fair-minded too.
Temeraire was the thing I was thinking of.
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Arannir
Valinor
Oct 4 2015, 10:59am
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Here are more information on the man "As Nature Made Him" is all about. Having rewatched Heavenly Creatures recently this could really be interesting coming from PJ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Oct 4 2015, 1:31pm
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A series of Tarzan films more faithful to the books (while presumably reducing the racist elements) is an intriguing idea. Jackson might also be the person to take another stab at the John Carter of Mars series. And I'd really love to see what could be done with Pellucidar with a real budget (Tarzan at the Earth's Core anyone?).
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Oct 4 2015, 6:57pm
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I think critics are crap, don't care what any of them say! I actually saw "Fargo" based on so-called critical review, and I thought it was awful. Pretty much if I know critics hate it, I'll probably like it, and vice versa. The individual movies each made close to (or over) $1 Billion, so you can't hardly call that a "failure." You can call them terrible if that's your opinion, but $1 Billion in sales is definitely not a failure.
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Bishop
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Oct 4 2015, 7:09pm
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You'll notice I never said the movies were failures, and I actually DID say I don't take much stock in critics opinions anyways. So no need to make stuff up about what I'm saying! :)
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Imladris18
Lorien
Oct 5 2015, 5:44pm
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As someone whose top interests are military aviation and Tolkien, it's a match made in heaven.
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Starling
Half-elven
Oct 6 2015, 1:18am
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I didn't know this story. It's incredibly sad.
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Starling
Half-elven
Oct 6 2015, 6:29am
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horribly disappointing and will definitely not watch any future Tintin films if they are anything like the first.
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Imladris18
Lorien
Oct 6 2015, 1:18pm
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Yeah, Red Tails was pretty bad.
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I loved seeing/hearing P-51s and B-17s flying around in modern cinema, but that's about where the good of the movie stops. I never even thought of the Lucas comparison, especially considering Lucas did not direct Red Tails.
If Dambusters gets made, and it's any good at all, I don't think PJ will catch flak (pun not intended) for Lucas comparisons.
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Crystal
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Oct 14 2015, 2:50pm
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I'd love to see films about the early history of New Zealand. I bet Peter Jackson would do an excellent job of it since he's so darn good with most everything else he's done and he really loves the subject. Stories about the Maori and their settlement in New Zealand before the Europeans arrived would be cool, too.
And yeah, Tarzan. But I never even read Edgar Rice Burroughs until Camden got me hooked on it back when I was an impressionable teenager. All of the Burroughs stories are really love stories with adventure stories wrapped all around them. I like those. I think he'd do good with them especially with Fran Walsh and Philppa Boyens writing the screen play, but only if they can check their political baggage at the door and just let the women be real turn of the century women instead of some silly fantasy.
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