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boldog
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Sep 29 2015, 8:41am
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What if Azog didn't die?
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Lets push the breaking of canon even more, and assume Azog survived The Battle of the five armies. What would become of him? Would Sauron hate him for loosing the battle? Would he go into hiding? Or would he be in Gothmogs place at Pelennor?
Azog and Bolg. That is all I can say.............
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NoelGallagher
Rohan
Sep 29 2015, 9:20am
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He might have been a special guest at the Funeral.
Or probably fell in love with Tauriel.
Who knows.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Sep 29 2015, 4:44pm
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I'd rather think about one of the Heirs of Durin surviving
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or maybe more than one, hehe! It's not like I haven't written fanfics on that very subject!
I actually always hated the fact that both nephews died, that's probably the biggest reason why I don't like the book that much. Still, I'm glad I saw the movies - even if my husband isn't! But I digress. Azog should have drown, IMO, that jumping back out of the ice was one of the many stupid things in BOT5A, maybe not as bad as some of Leggy's stunts but still. It would make more sense to me that, after defeating Azog that Thorin is killed by Bolg, run through or something. After that I don't really care who kills Bolg, Legolas or Beorn, Dain even. Don't care as long as he's dead.
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LSF
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Sep 29 2015, 5:07pm
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Azog taking the place of Gothmog would be interesting. Azog comes off as a strategist more so than Gothmog. So instead of the entire orc army attacking the gate and walls of minas tirith head on, I could see more division into different tasks and attack types.
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LSF
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Sep 29 2015, 5:14pm
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From a dramatic story telling point of view, if you build up this personal vendetta with two characters, and both of them must die by the end, they "should" die fighting each other. Otherwise there's no real pay off in building that up.
And personally I think it's a nice (if a little dumb on thorin's part to be standing right over him) moment when azog is floating under the ice and thorin is following him to make sure he is dead. And I wouldn't buy azog going out like that. Azog has the "lure him in" strategy going on, first in the forest fire in AUJ, then to get him up to ravenhill, and finally to get him to get close enough to pounce.
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dormouse
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Sep 29 2015, 5:43pm
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Azog has to die for the story to work....
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And even within the story, the battle can't end until he dies. So if he survived his fight with Thorin someone else would have to kill him.
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LSF
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Sep 29 2015, 5:45pm
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Well yes, for the story to work. But "what ifs" can be fun to think about anyway 
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 29 2015, 5:48pm
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And even within the story, the battle can't end until he dies. So if he survived his fight with Thorin someone else would have to kill him.
Well, he could have fled, but that would not have been satisfying.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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dormouse
Half-elven
Sep 29 2015, 5:49pm
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... but not that particular one for me. If Azog survives, Azog's won - I wouldn't want that story to end that way.
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Gandalf the Green
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Oct 2 2015, 5:07pm
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Peter Jackson just e-mailed me and told me Tauriel is his favourite Tolkien character.
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Bumblingidiot
Rohan
Oct 2 2015, 5:55pm
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Well, I'd happily put her in a canon..
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and fire over the mountains and out of the story. And, of course, she's not a Tolkien character.
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Oakensword
The Shire
Oct 3 2015, 9:43pm
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Maybe he would have helped in the hunt for The Ring? We might have seen Azog return to Weathertop in FotR? I don't like the ringbearer's chances much but there it is.
I actually got to thinking what if Azog did die of his wounds in Moria and The Necromancer revived him? Again there isn't much give to allow that one but a neat idea.
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QuackingTroll
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Oct 3 2015, 10:06pm
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The only reason Tauriel sucks is because of the love story...
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Tolkien does have two of Thranduil's elves (unnamed) in Laketown. So it's not so much of a stretch to say that one of them was female. It's less likely that one was a prince, but I think they were dining with the Master? So maybe he was important and could be Legolas - although they're referred to as "raft-elves" if I'm remembering any of this correctly.
Anyway, Tauriel could easily have been a great character - and actually she was a really good character. She looked fantastic, the performance was fine, she kicked orc-butt and had a few interesting moments. It's the whole love story that needs to be put in a canon, not Tauriel.
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Oakensword
The Shire
Oct 3 2015, 11:26pm
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Pete saying she wasn't set to be anybody's love interest once upon a time.
"It is our fight" alongside her scene with Thranduil was perfect motif enough until the "morgul shaft" shattered half the canon. 
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LSF
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Oct 3 2015, 11:35pm
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From what I remember, she was meant to have the Kili romance since near the start. The Legolas triangle, no, but the romance, yeah. Certainly before the time they started filming, since Lily's first scene to shoot was the healing Kili one. Lily was fine with the romance, but her condition was no triangle.
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LSF
Gondor
Oct 4 2015, 12:05am
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I can't see Azog working with the Nazgul to hunt down the ring, or maybe they wouldn't work with him. And this is too important to just let azog do it
Oh, now that is a fun thought 
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Oakensword
The Shire
Oct 4 2015, 12:28am
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I can't see Azog working with the Nazgul to hunt down the ring, or maybe they wouldn't work with him. And this is too important to just let azog do it /reply] Not very cinematic either, is it? I guess at the most realistic if Azog survived Thorin we might have seen King Dain do the deed, restoring book canon. I actually thought it would happen like that before the TE release but ho hum.
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Speaking of canon
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