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Is possible to a planet to have only one ecosystem?

DainPig
Gondor


Sep 2 2015, 7:14pm

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Is possible to a planet to have only one ecosystem? Can't Post

like Star Wars or Star Trek and others sci fi stories, where we always see the "Ice Planet, Vulcan Planet, Desert Planet!" Yes, there's planets like Mars, which is a large desert, but Mars have no oxygen. I speaking of a Tatooine, or Hoth (both from Star Wars) planets with only one ecosystem and which have oxygen.

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Beorn's Bees
Lorien


Sep 2 2015, 7:47pm

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Well I'm no expert but [In reply to] Can't Post

I assume that if the planet were small enough there might only be one ecosystem.

But to be honest I have no serious idea that's just a guess.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Sep 2 2015, 7:51pm

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In general, probably not. [In reply to] Can't Post

I can imagine a water planet with almost no landmasses. But I would expect more variety, generally, on any other life-bearing world.


Like Arrakis (Dune), Tatooine could have water locked under its surface.

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squire
Half-elven


Sep 2 2015, 7:54pm

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It seems unlikely [In reply to] Can't Post

Because our planet's ability to sustain life seems so dependent on the presence of liquid water. Our seas hold the sun's heat in different ways depending on their latitude, and that causes a lot of different ecosystems even for lands at the same elevations and latitudes.

Remember that Star Wars is not really any kind of serious science fiction - as 'space fantasy' it follows conventional epic models, only with whole planets as the mock-futuristic equivalents of countries or lands in traditional fantasy. Unexplained and almost instantaneous faster-than-light spacecraft is another feature of this kind of writing.

I don't know what serious sci-fi authors have done in this regard; I do remember that 'Dune' was one of the first books to attempt a serious ecological explanation of a single-ecosystem 'desert planet'. I bet others here could bring up more contemporary examples for you to study.



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Susan
Bree


Sep 2 2015, 8:13pm

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I'm not an expert either... [In reply to] Can't Post

But maybe an ice planet with subsurface water? Something like Titan? And you don't necessarily need oxygen, depending on what you want to live there.
Also if you're writing a sci fi story, you might want to check this article about inventing fictional worlds out; I found it pretty useful. It's called: "The Worst Blunders People Make in Inventing Fictional Alien Worlds," (not the most encouraging title, I know Smile).


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Elizabeth
Half-elven


Sep 2 2015, 9:40pm

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Not for a planet of any size. [In reply to] Can't Post

The more we've learned about the planets and their satellites in our solar system the more we see that even relatively small bodies have differing regions, for example Jupiter's satellite Europa have geographic differences that probably constitute "weather". Mars, which might have been an inspiration for the desert planet Dune, has polar ice caps, so the high latitudes would be quite different from the equatorial regions and areas in between.








Brethil
Half-elven


Sep 2 2015, 9:41pm

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In a purely natural story it may be hard to get right... [In reply to] Can't Post

but then, if you are crafting a world with a deity or supernatural structure, that opens up possibilities.









CuriousG
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Sep 3 2015, 12:15am

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Thanks for that article--good read. [In reply to] Can't Post

Googling around led me to a similar one, which I don't dispute, except for a laugh: 7 Deadly Sins of Worldbuilding

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How do they eat? What do they eat? Who takes away the garbage? Who deals with their bodily wastes? How do they get around? What do the majority of people do to survive? You're not just constructing a society, you're creating an economy.

Tolkien is notorious for not explaining away about how his economies work in Middle-earth, especially the Elves', but that doesn't stop us from feeling like it's an almost-real place. An author can't explain *everything* or a reader would feel no urge to wonder about the place.


Darkstone
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Sep 3 2015, 4:12pm

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Well [In reply to] Can't Post

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Sep 3 2015, 7:27pm

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There is also an argument [In reply to] Can't Post

that what you don't explain (because it's a given, and therefore unnoticed, by that society) is just as important as what you put time into detailing. The 'not explained' has to be done deliberately, though.

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Susan
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Sep 3 2015, 8:15pm

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That was an interesting article as well... [In reply to] Can't Post

though like you said, an author can't explain *everything*. I guess as long as there's enough relevant and believable information for the reader to take the actual narrative seriously, the writer has done a pretty decent job of worldbuilding. Plus, readers do love to imagine and rationalize.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Sep 3 2015, 8:28pm

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In fiction, rules were made to be broken. [In reply to] Can't Post

A skilled writer can break the rules of world-building if one knows what he/she is doing. A highly-advanced civilization might be able to artificially control an entire planet's weather and ecosystem. It might even be able to artificially construct whole worlds. We ourselves in the far future might have spawned a decedent civilization that crafts space ships that look outwardly like steam locomotives (thanks to both Michael Moorcock and Leiji Matsumoto!).

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Tol Eressea


Sep 12 2015, 3:57pm

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well said [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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