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Avandel
Half-elven
Sep 3 2015, 6:44am
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Well, cows, and pigs as well, are ancient symbols of abundance and fertility, and with the fan art I have tripped over, it would seem that Thorin and nephews are often viewed as very SOCIAL, as it were, so that bodes well for a sequel featuring the numerous as yet unknown offspring.
Really though, horse motifs for Rohan, fish for Laketown, so for the peaceful and prosperous Dale I could see deer, pigs, goats, birds, fruit, flowers - peaceful happy motifs.
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dormouse
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Sep 3 2015, 7:21am
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The statue was discussed a week or so ago....
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..when the first pictures emerged - here, in this thread
Some liked it, some didn't. I think it's lovely, myself, and that's such a perfect scene in the film I don't think they could have found a better choice.
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Sep 3 2015, 9:05am
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I figured it must've been a fan thing, but I wanted to make sure I hadn't missed some nugget of information somewhere.
I would've thought Thorin would be the "lion" give his roaring "I will have warrrrrr" declaration in the trailer (not to mention his mane and royal crown) 
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Glorfindela
Valinor
Sep 3 2015, 10:34am
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Given the huge amount of additions/deletions by the film-makers to Tolkien's original story, including animals such as lions and deer (even if never mentioned by Tolkien) on a DVD cover is the least of BoFA's problems.
Beasts such as lions, deer, aurochsen and unicorns are frequently featured in heraldry and appeared in the iconography of the ancient (prehistoric) world. Presumably this is why some 'bright' spark came up with the idea of using them here for decoration. 
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NManfredi
Rivendell
Sep 3 2015, 12:24pm
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I have grown to love the statue. I think it does a very good job in showing the outcome of the battle and how everyone was feeling in that moment. I love both Bilbo and Gandalf's expression.The only thing I regret is that I won't be able to buy it, because I don't have Blue ray, only a computer with DVD player, and this does not come in a DVD boxset.
"Is it not a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt for so small a thing? So small a thing! And I have seen it only for an instant in the house of Elrond! Could I not have a sight of it again?"
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NManfredi
Rivendell
Sep 3 2015, 1:01pm
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But unfortunately where I live there are many issues with bringing things that expensive from abroad. The most hideous being taxes. They are a real bummer and tend to skyrocket every time you buy something which costs more than 50 dls.
"Is it not a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt for so small a thing? So small a thing! And I have seen it only for an instant in the house of Elrond! Could I not have a sight of it again?"
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nusilver
Rohan
Sep 3 2015, 2:49pm
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...then sell off the BluRay and keep the statue. :)
Actually, this is exactly what I'm doing. I'm buying the trilogy box set because it matches the LOTR set perfectly, but since I really want this statue too, I'll be buying this gift set whenever it gets announced for the U.S. Having the extra copy of BOTFA will make it much easier to sell the individual releases of the previous films, since I can sell it as a trilogy, and for much less than the box set will cost.
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TheHutt
Gondor
Sep 3 2015, 3:17pm
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...when I was a poor student, I used to buy 2 copies of the giftsets, keep one of them and then sell the other one separately: film DVDs / statue in box / bonus DVD.
That brought in more money than when sold as a single package, and made the first box cheaper as a result. :)
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Avandel
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Sep 3 2015, 5:10pm
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Beasts such as lions, deer, aurochsen and unicorns are frequently featured in heraldry and appeared in the iconography of the ancient (prehistoric) world. Presumably this is why some 'bright' spark came up with the idea of using them here for decoration.  - and the WETA folks would have known this. I'm just so impressed from the Chronicles book "Cloaks and Daggers" at the thought that went into the designs of Mirkwood, Laketown, Dale, and Erebor (tho Erebor is wrecked - but the "little" things like the scoring from dragon claws and the details of the rubble like the headless statues and the way the doorway is blocked up by the dwarves - "dwarves are said to be a cunning folk w. stone" - loved the little detail in BOFA of Gloin with chisel, shaping a block)
Given the huge amount of additions/deletions by the film-makers to Tolkien's original story, including animals such as lions and deer (even if never mentioned by Tolkien) on a DVD cover is the least of BoFA's problems.
*Sigh* I still have visions of the glorious, coffee-table book of art and images that might have been - not like the Chronicles book, but a sumptuous collection of movie stills and PR work and so on - like some of the Star Wars books I have seen. With premium paper and an embossed cover and premium binding.
Tho I think the banners for the films were well done, and the AUJ art, and some of the stills.
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Avandel
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Sep 3 2015, 7:01pm
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That I've seen roaming around image and art sites.....
Thorin gets a full suite....
lions,
wolves,
dragons,
and more lately, I see more ravens...
It's good to be king. And I, for one, will always be grateful to PJ and Richard Armitage and WETA for giving us SUCH a Mountain King;
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Fili the golden prince/lion:
Basically, the lions/wolves of Erebor (Kili often it seems being associated with a wolf or husky, Dwalin as a bear along with Beorn (naturally), Thranduil the white stag although a snow leopard always comes to mind for me, looking at Thranduil in armor, and I wouldn't be surprised with the silver and grey patterns of his armor cloak that the costume designers thought of that as well - or a snowy owl, bringing silent death and with winter camouflage.
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Avandel
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Sep 3 2015, 7:11pm
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I don't think the U.S. has taxes like that, if I were to buy something overseas and have it shipped. At least, when I asked at the post office, the postmaster just shook his head. I guess we don't if it is a private transaction and not a business.
But going the other way, if I want to ship something to someone, I have to worry about the "worth" of the gift, because I guess even gifts get hit with some sort of tax (depending on the country) - some gift that is - the recipient has to pay up at the other end?! I don't ship stuff overseas or buy overseas often enough to know the details, and so it's confusing, too.
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NManfredi
Rivendell
Sep 3 2015, 7:56pm
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Some shipping services are terrible, and some post offices too. I've heard that in the States, they have quite good services. My Post Office is not bad, but the tax rates I have in my country are a pretty mouthful (in Troll's terms  ) for the greedy government of my country. So that's why I have to be really careful not buying much expensive stuff. Anyway, I'm really happy for those that can and will buy it. It looks very good!
"Is it not a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt for so small a thing? So small a thing! And I have seen it only for an instant in the house of Elrond! Could I not have a sight of it again?"
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Susan
Bree
Sep 3 2015, 8:28pm
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Maybe he heard Hobbit stories passed down through the ages, or Bilbo told him about them.
Also, I didn't know lions existed in Europe. That's quite interesting; thanks for telling me!
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Sep 3 2015, 8:37pm
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I doubt that lions would have been common in Eriador at the end of the Third Age, but they might have been present at the time of the founding of the North Kingdom. Like the European lions, they might have had some features of African lions and shared some with their Asiatic cousins. There might once have been large numbers in the region of Gondor and in Rhovanion.
Lions would have been one of the top predators in Harad, along with leopards, crocodiles, etc. Tigers would have competed for prey with the ancestors of the Asiatic lions in the East.
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Susan
Bree
Sep 3 2015, 9:34pm
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Since there is a Quenya word for lion, I'm guessing that they did used to live in Rhovanion, and some of the elves encountered them during the Great Journey. But before that, they might have originated in Harad, and migrated northward during the Years of the Lamps (Would the geography be right? Sorry, my visualization of Arda is a bit confused right now). And then, maybe even before the North Kingdom was founded, most of the lions may have been driven east into Rhun, or some back into Harad (can you imagine lions attacking Mumakil  ).
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Sep 3 2015, 9:55pm
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Harad is equivalent to Africa, so if lions originated in Africa than they can be linked directly to Harad.
And, yes, I could imagine a pride of lions attacking a Mumakil, especially if they were some legendary species (like the Great Eagles to normal raptors or a Meara to a regular horse).
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*grins* on cows
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