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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Sep 2 2015, 7:20am
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Silmarilion prologue narrted by Gandalf
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I think he would be the one, at least in what refers to the music of the ainur, to voice over the intro if a film is ever made.
They could use as well Elrond´s Hugo Weaving voice for the following film etc
Here, for the spanish speaking ringers is the voice of Gandalf, Pepe Mediavilla reading the Music of the Ainur
Lovely, just lovely, I can see Ian Mckellen´s Gandalf explaining this to Frodo and Bilbo in Valinor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDBQavfoTiA
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QuackingTroll
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Sep 2 2015, 11:41am
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I think Aragorn is the best choice...
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I can imagine the film opening in Minas Tirith with the foresight image that Arwen sees in RotK, where Aragorn lifts up Eldarion.
Aragorn and Arwen could be there as Aragorn explains to Eldarion the history of Middle-earth.
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 2 2015, 1:16pm
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Gandalf, as an Istari, is a being representative of the Third Age (even if he is really effectively ageless). Even Elrond is more of the Second Age than the First. I think that Lady Galadriel would be the most appropriate narrator for The Silmarillion as she lived through or was witness to many of the events related in it.
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Wasserwaldnymphe
The Shire
Sep 3 2015, 2:04pm
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is actually used for the German audio-book of the Silmarillion. The dubbing actor has a really nice voice.
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noWizardme
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Sep 6 2015, 10:41am
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I can see Gandalf working, or the other suggestions...
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I think it depends upon what you are imagining as the "framing device" - who is telling this story to whom at the start of the film, before we as the audience get lost into the film of itself.
Tolkien didn't (as far as I know) devise a framing device for Silmarilion (unlike Hobbit and LOTR which are supposed to be translations of books compiled by Bilbo, Frodo and their heirs. So that's yet another option- you could decide that the Silmarilion is known to scholars via Bilbo's Translations from the Elvish (collected in Rivendell, presumably), and so come up with a hobbit narrator
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 6 2015, 11:38am
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Tolkien didn't (as far as I know) devise a framing device for Silmarilion (unlike Hobbit and LOTR which are supposed to be translations of books compiled by Bilbo, Frodo and their heirs.
The earliest version of The Silmarillion, Tolkien's The Book of Lost Tales, does have a framing device in the form of the mortal man Eriol (later changed to Aelfwine) who visits the isle of Tol Eressea and is told the old stories by the Elves who dwell there.
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squire
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Sep 6 2015, 2:17pm
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I would love to see it done that way
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As unlikely as it seems for a Hollywood-oriented fantasy franchise, such an approach would deeply honor Tolkien's earliest intentions in writing what became The Silmarillion.
However, it would probably run into the same mare's nest of thematic confusion that Tolkien did himself. The second half of The Silmarillion drifts towards the epic heroism of Men, not Elves (Tuor, Turin, Earendil), and the idea of such tales being told to Aelfwine by Elves seems less and less appropriate. Tolkien toyed with the 'framing device' puzzle for the rest of his life, and never worked one out to his satisfaction.
That's why Christopher Tolkien, with great regret, chose to omit a frame from the published version he produced after his father's death. Any audience for a film of the book, who have read only the book, will be quite surprised if the filmmakers do not just present the stories as a straight-line serial narrative.
For our consideration, here are the later candidates for framing narratives of what the Sil is and how we came to read it, as developed but never completed by Tolkien:
1) Modern-day scholars travel back in dream-time and discover their ancestors were the Dunedain of Numenor, who learned of the Great Tales from the Elves before the Downfall.
2) Some of the Great Tales (of the Music and the Elves) are preserved in the House of Elrond, and recorded by Bilbo the hobbit, while others (of the Heroic Men) are kept by the Men of Gondor and are added to Bilbo's book by his descendants in collaboration with the scholars of King Elessar.
None of these ideas seem like really great film-making structures, to my mind. Tolkien was writing more like a scholar of legends and myths, than like a simple teller of tales, when he fussed about this aspect of his legendarium. But I should think the last thing film audiences generally respond to is an excess of academicism and intellectual complexity; and I'm almost certain film executives would feel disinclined to experiment with several hundred million dollars to see if that is not true in Tolkien's special case.
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