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Confirmed Scenes That Were Never Shown (or Won't Be)
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AndHeHandedHimTheTobaccoJar
Bree


Aug 27 2015, 7:11pm

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Confirmed Scenes That Were Never Shown (or Won't Be) Can't Post

In this thread, just share any scenes that were confirmed to have been filmed (or you're pretty sure they were), but never made it into any of the three films (or at least probably won't make it into the third film). I'm interested in knowing what might've been, so if you guys could help me that would be awesome!


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DainPig
Gondor


Aug 27 2015, 7:25pm

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funeral [In reply to] Can't Post

Richard Armitage (Thorin) said in a interview to Yahoo that there's a great funeral scene. Adam Brown and Peter Humbleton (Ori and Gloin) also said something about that funeral.

I just do not have videos, sorry Unimpressed

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AndHeHandedHimTheTobaccoJar
Bree


Aug 27 2015, 7:28pm

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I Hope That One Makes It [In reply to] Can't Post

That seems like it could possibly be one of the best scenes in the trilogy. Definitely one I (and most) have heard of, so don't worry about no video!


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 27 2015, 7:42pm

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That will be in it. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd say there's a 99.9% chance that the funeral scene WILL be in the extended edition.

scenes that weren't put in AUJ EE or DoS EE:
-Bilbo stepping out of his door and looking out at Hobbiton one last time before running out to join the dwarves (glad that wasn't put back in, the transition we got was already perfect)
-a moment between Fili and Thorin during the warg chase
-Thorin telling Bilbo about Erebor while they were resting in Rivendell (sounded like a great scene, but it wouldn't really make sense for a conversation like that to happen so early between those two)
-Gandalf giving some sort of explanation to the dwarves for why the eagles wouldn't take them further than the Carrock
-Thranduil interrogating the dwarves
-Bilbo talking about how hobbits "never venture east" on Bard's barge
-the dwarves passing through Dale on their way to Erebor


DainPig
Gondor


Aug 27 2015, 8:02pm

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Never heard about these before [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo looking to bag end one last time? Oh, probralby the whole scene were different, and Gandalf was with Bilbo
If I am not wrong, there's a picture of Gandalf and Fili in the warg chase...
Uh, Thorin and Bilbo? Sounds great!
Hahahaha, LOL, would be awesome to hear what's Gandalf explanation!!!
I miss it, really miss Unsure
Miss to UnsureUnsure
We will see this one, soon... this scene in Dale was really filmed, and it is in the artbooks!

100% chance!!!!!!!!! of funeral Wink

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Smaug the iron
Gondor

Aug 27 2015, 8:13pm

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Bilbo was looking at the shire from Bag End [In reply to] Can't Post

and what he see is what his life would look like If he did not go on this journey. There is no Gandalf in that scene.


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 27 2015, 8:19pm

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"...Those that survived and those that did not..." [In reply to] Can't Post

I think this line that Bilbo says was recorded only for the trailers and won't make it into the EE. Instead Bilbo says "One day I'll remember. Remember everything that happened, the good the bad and how lucky I am that I made it home"


DainPig
Gondor


Aug 27 2015, 8:23pm

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oh [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought this would be that scene from the book, when Gandalf arrives (again) at Bilbo's home and ask him to follow the company.

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TheHutt
Gondor


Aug 27 2015, 8:36pm

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William Kircher... [In reply to] Can't Post

...told me about a scene on DOS where he was cursing at Smaug in Khuzdul. Didn't make the SEE cut.

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DainPig
Gondor


Aug 27 2015, 8:40pm

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Would be awesome to see some khuzdul insults by Bifur! [In reply to] Can't Post

So many thinks missing... Unsure

PJ, Where are these amazing scenes? MadMadMadMad

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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 27 2015, 9:00pm

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toy maker [In reply to] Can't Post

And there's the scene with Bifur working on the bird toy. I think you can still see it in the background of a shot, but of course they didn't end up using the closeups. I know it's unrealistic to expect every little thing like that to be included, but it's a shame when things like that, which would be relatively simple to edit in, don't even make it to the EE.


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Dcole4
Rohan

Aug 27 2015, 9:22pm

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Ughh... [In reply to] Can't Post

There are probably dozens of these types of moments, that give characterization to the dwarves that are left on the cutting room floor. While I can appreciate the filmmakers wanting to create a lean theatrical experience, there is a distinction between economical filmmaking and filmmaking that disregards half its cast. These scenes and snippets give the story so much texture and only take seconds to display. I wish the EEs re-instated these moments, its heartbreaking to think how much work these actors put in to creating their roles and making them unique only to be completely left on the editing room floor. Beyond the main four dwarves, none of them got anything truly meaningful to do or say. It's a shame.


DainPig
Gondor


Aug 27 2015, 9:49pm

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Yes [In reply to] Can't Post

and Legolas is laughing at our face right now MadUnsureMadMad

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Glorfindela
Valinor


Aug 27 2015, 10:43pm

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'Lean theatrical experience' [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
While I can appreciate the filmmakers wanting to create a lean theatrical experience, there is a distinction between economical filmmaking and filmmaking that disregards half its cast.


Pity the film-makers could not have deleted Legolas and Turiel to create that 'lean theatrical experience', and substituted them with Beorn as a key character, plus further development of the Dwarves after a good start in AUJ.

Trouble is, the 'film-makers' lost that 'lack of confidence'/humility they had while making LotR, which made them remain true to the spirit and much of the story in that trilogy. I think over-confidence resulted in a rising amount of injections of stupidity, grossness, unnecessary characters and self-indulgence in these films, at the expense of so much that was good…

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1924
Bree

Aug 28 2015, 1:12am

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There [In reply to] Can't Post

There is a a moment in the DOS trailer where we see Azog climbing over some rock looking like he is chasing someone


DainPig
Gondor


Aug 28 2015, 1:39am

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Azog is in the barrel chase [In reply to] Can't Post

this was part of the two movies project, Azog would chase the dwarves in the river, instead of Bolg

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Cillendor
Lorien


Aug 28 2015, 3:10pm

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Yes, I agree. [In reply to] Can't Post

At the outset, there was rumor that Legolas would be seen as a cameo or background character. That's where they should have left him. Did Orlando Bloom demand to get more screen time for his appearance, or did Jackson just get a bloated ego?


Eldy
Tol Eressea


Aug 28 2015, 3:28pm

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Considering the number of other LOTR references [In reply to] Can't Post

Including numerous lines of dialogue repeated wholesale, I think the credit and/or blame for Legolas' expanded role goes to Jackson and his co-writers. Personally, I was prepared for and okay with a significant supporting role for Legolas in the films, but I do think the narrative prominence he was given in the third film, particularly during the climax, was way too much.



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Smaug the iron
Gondor

Aug 28 2015, 3:36pm

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What lines from LOTR was repeated [In reply to] Can't Post

I only remember two "It's not natural, none of it" be Dori and "These bats are bred for one purpose for war" be Legolas what other lines was repeated?


droidsocket
Lorien

Aug 28 2015, 4:00pm

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I would say... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think that its a combination of things. I dont know who wanted legolas back. Was it WB or PJ? What we do know is they paid him a million dollars for coming back. So for that kind of investment it was not going to be quick cameo. However the quality of his role in the finished film falls on the writing team.


Eldy
Tol Eressea


Aug 28 2015, 4:06pm

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A couple others come to mind offhand [In reply to] Can't Post

The two you mentioned were among the most egregious.

The Dol Guldur scene in BOFA is full of these:
- "The time of the Elves is over. The Age of the Orc has come."
- "You have no power here"
- "The spirit of Sauron endured."

Kingsfoil in DOS is a borderline case. "Ah, it's a weed" vs "No, it's a weed".

There were several in AUJ of varying degrees of similarity that were collected in this thread:
http://newboards.theonering.net/...orum.cgi?post=564550



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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 28 2015, 4:36pm

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Those are terrible examples, I think I might make a better list... [In reply to] Can't Post

Most of those seem like a stretch. There are much better examples not mentioned there, like Gollum's "juicy sweet" song and Gandalf "let us have a little more light" like FotR's "let me risk a little more light"

One person compared the AUJ "musn't ask us, not its business" to TTT "No. Not its business" in the interrogation. But in TTT Frodo says "who are you?" and Gollum replies "musn't ask us, not its business". which is word-for-word Crazy

I'll try to compile a good list sometime. There are lots of better examples in there.


(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Aug 28 2015, 4:36pm)


AndHeHandedHimTheTobaccoJar
Bree


Aug 28 2015, 4:36pm

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Can We Stay on Topic? [In reply to] Can't Post

Not to seem rude, but the focus of this thread seems to be wandering a bit, and I was hoping for a not too cluttered, easy to comprehend thread where people could confirm scenes that were filmed, but never made a final cut. Thanks.


Smaug the iron
Gondor

Aug 28 2015, 4:38pm

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Some of this don´t evan sound the same. [In reply to] Can't Post

You've been busy of late, my old friend.
For that is why you have come, is it not, my old friend?
The only word that are the same are "my friend "( Old is not in the hobbit).
And Gollums "Musn't ask us. Not its business" is in the book.

the legacy of my people is mine to protect.
The Rul of Gondor is mine and no others
Nothing similar in this one.

Then we are with you, laddie. We will see it done.
I would have gone with you to the end, into the very fires of Mordor. Not the same thing


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 28 2015, 4:46pm

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The dwarves meet Thranduil... [In reply to] Can't Post

There's a scene where the dwarves are interrogated by Thranduil before being put in the cells.

There's a scene between Legolas and Thranduil before Legolas goes to find Tauriel. Thranduil gives him until sun down to find her or something?

PJ had a DoS cameo in Laketown that was cut.

There was a scene where Alfrid got eggs thrown at him

A scene where Gandalf said "...And that is why the eagles would take you no further"

There are unused shots in the trailer of Bilbo looking scared in the goblin cave in AUJ, with Bifur holding an eagle toy.

And a moment in AUJ's market scene between Bilbo and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins.


(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Aug 28 2015, 4:54pm)

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