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balbo biggins
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Aug 27 2015, 12:40am
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PJs Hobbit vs Bakshis LOTR
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I would argue that Bakshis lotr is a far more accurate, successful, creative and enjoyable adaption of tolkiens world than PJs Hobbit by a League.
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QuackingTroll
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Aug 27 2015, 12:59am
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I love Bakshi's version of the man in the moon song. Much more than Bofur's //
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Aug 27 2015, 12:59am
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That might be true for you, though a lot more folks would seemingly disagree with that than would agree.
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CathrineB
Rohan
Aug 27 2015, 1:23am
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While I complain a lot lately (yes I am well aware  ) I prefer PJs by miles because I just think those cartoons are downright awful to look at. I'm not going to go into detail of just how much I dislike it though because I know there are people that like it.
It's BotfA I didn't like. I quite love AUJ and DoS is good even if I might have a wee bit gripes with it those are minor compare to BotfA.
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Mooseboy018
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Aug 27 2015, 1:33am
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More accurate? I'd say so. For the most part.
More successful? Um...they didn't even get to finish it.
More creative? I'd say no. While some of the creativity in PJ's The Hobbit took things a bit too far in places, I'd say overall it's more "creative" than Bakshi's LotR, in terms of both design and as an adaption. But of course that's subjective.
More enjoyable? Way too subjective. For me personally, I'd choose PJ's over Bakshi's any day, no matter how many problems I have with it.
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droidsocket
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Aug 27 2015, 1:54am
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For very different reasons. At least neither are as bad as Gene Deitch's Hobbit.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Aug 27 2015, 1:57am
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I'll never for the life of me...
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...understand what people see in the Bakshi film. Is it merely the fidelity to the text (dialogue-wise, anyway)?
To be fair, I admire some of the animation. But, as a film, I find that it fails miserably. It's not fun or enjoyable, nor is it emotionally engaging or cohesive.
The only positive things I can say about it is that it features two voice talents that would reprise their roles in the BBC radio drama: Michael Graham Cox as Boromir and Peter Woodthorpe as Gollum. And that's really more of a positive for the radio drama (especially since I detest Boromir's design in the Bakshi film).
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen
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Arannir
Valinor
Aug 27 2015, 7:19am
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... the Bakshi movies have a few iconic and nicely done moments and scene... but not enough to make a good movie imho. Actually, it is not even finished.
Many of the designs in the Baskshi movie really lack imagination, imho, as well as the horrible character design.
What I like about them are some individual things... such as the creepy shot of the Nazgul riding in the prologue... the chants while the Orcs approach Helm's Deep (though what they sing does not make any sense), the Nazgul design in general is pretty good and a few other little things.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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dormouse
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Aug 27 2015, 8:32am
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I think the Bakshi is dreadful...
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I remember seeing it in the cinema - I dragged my mother along because I was so excited to think that someone had filmed Lord of the Rings. I was longing to see it and so sure that when she saw it she'd finally understand why I loved the book so much. The film was a massive disappointment. There was nothing, nothing there of what mattered to me in the original. PJ's Smaug alone is worth 100 of the Bakshi film.
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adt100
Rohan
Aug 27 2015, 11:54am
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It begins well but rapidly goes downhill!
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Lack of budget and time etc. Bakshi's was a brave attempt, and it does start well (and is a very faithful adaptation for all it's eccentricities).
Alas the more it goes on the more it is patently obvious how unfinished it is. It does however give me hope that in the future, another animated film/films will be attempted. I would prefer that to another live action version I think. Not that it will likely happen for a very, very long time!
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ghost_matt
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Aug 27 2015, 5:18pm
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I like the Bakshi movie but it doesn't hold a candle to PJ's movies. The pacing is too quick, you don't really get to know any of the characters and there's no emotional attachment, it's too "dark" (even Rivendell looks like a spooky castle), some bad character designs such as Sam and Boromir, and the script makes no sense in places. Did you notice as Frodo is leaving Hobbiton he says to Sam, "And Merry and Pippin insisted on coming with us as far as Bree..." Then in the next scene with the Black Rider, Frodo acts surprised that M & P knew he was leaving.
I actually like the animation though and I seem to be the only one who thinks the rotoscoping looks cool. Also a fan of the soundtrack.
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Mooseboy018
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Aug 27 2015, 6:39pm
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And then there's the fact that Gandalf throws the Ring into the fire at Bag End, but then he doesn't even bother to check it for the inscription...
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Elanor of Rohan
Lorien
Aug 27 2015, 7:51pm
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but I remember I saw that dreadful giant Gandalf on the poster when I was a child, and that it put me off everything related to LOTR for a couple of decades.(Where I live it wasn't much popular in the 70s).
In spite of some interesting scenes I must admit I don't like it: in particular I didn't like the designs of Frodo and Aragorn, whereas Galadriel wasn't that bad. And of course it has the major fault of being incomplete... which makes it impossible to express a proper opinion.
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adt100
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Aug 27 2015, 11:00pm
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And lest we forget 'Aruman of many colours!'
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QuackingTroll
Valinor
Aug 27 2015, 11:34pm
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That's only really a problem if you've read the book...
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Anyone else would just assume Gandalf did that to show the Ring's indestructibility. He takes it out of the fire and hands it to Frodo who says "it's not even cold" and Gandalf replies "not even dragon fire could harm that ring". So it's not really a problem IMO.
I actually enjoy Bakshi's version, I enjoy all versions really - even the Gene Deitch and video game versions. I just like seeing different perspectives on the story.
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Eldy
Tol Eressea
Aug 28 2015, 5:37am
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Why are we comparing adaptations of two different books?
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I mean, aside from the fact that it's easier to score anti-PJ points when talking about his less well-regarded trilogy.  But let's break it down:
Accurate? I mean, yeah, this is going to go to Bakshi, but since we're talking about Tolkien's world rather than the specific stories, it's not by as much of a landslide as it could have been.
Successful? Not by any metric, lol.
Creative? I know some people who go on and on about Bakshi's visual inventiveness, but a lot of that wasn't even intentional (see my previous post in this thread about "rotoscoping"). But PJ's films -- all six of them -- were massive creative undertakings by a huge crew of talented artists (not to mention the actors) and I don't think you can seriously downplay the level of creative energy that went into making these films, even if you weren't that fond of the finished product.
Enjoyable? This is 100% subjective of course, but I would rather re-watch PJ's Hobbit than Bakshi's LOTR, and I'm not even really a fan of PJ's Hobbit. I dislike Bakshi's film considerably more though.
There's a feeling I get, when I look to the West...
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