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Smaug's fate: the DOS cliffhanger and BotFA opening
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arithmancer
Grey Havens


Aug 21 2015, 6:42pm

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I also see differences between the prologues of the other 5! [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't see why the Bo5A difference seems so different to some, and it gets identified as the lone film without a "proper"? prologue.

Like AUJ - was that a "proper" prologue, introducing us to the protagonist and his nephew 60 years after the events we will be viewing?

Or RotK - it was so personal, about 1 character, if admittedly a pivotal one for the resolution?



Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Aug 21 2015, 6:47pm

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AUJ [In reply to] Can't Post


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Like AUJ - was that a "proper" prologue, introducing us to the protagonist and his nephew 60 years after the events we will be viewing?




Interesting point. I think of the opening of TH:AUJ less as a prologue than as a framing device, with the follow-through being at the end of TH:BotFA.

"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock


Goblin Mutant
The Shire


Aug 21 2015, 7:02pm

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It also seems different to the director of the film Peter Jackson [In reply to] Can't Post

The opening does not seem different to some, I would say it is pretty obviously different to most people.


Heres the first result I got from PJ talking about it when I did a Google search:


"All the previous Tolkien films you’ve done begin with a flashback or a prologue of sorts. Return of the King had Smeagol, An Unexpected Journey featured Frodo and an older Bilbo. However, Battle of Five Armies jumps right into the action. Were there thoughts to adding some sort of intro?
When you’re shooting three films back-to-back and releasing them a year apart, the one thing you can do, which you usually can’t do in filmmaking, is to have the knowledge and assurance that a year later, the next film is going to come out. And we thought, You know what? [Let’s do] a cliffhanger because we know we are going to carry on the story. So why not take advantage? It’s not the end of the story, we have another film, we’ve already shot it, it’s going to come out in a year from now, so why wreck things up? Why not finish hard on a cliffhanger and the next one just jump straight back in?"

Here's to Dwarves that go swimming with little hairy women.


dormouse
Half-elven


Aug 21 2015, 7:03pm

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Well yes.... [In reply to] Can't Post

that would certainly have been a striking image!


Spriggan
Tol Eressea

Aug 21 2015, 11:13pm

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I'm afraid [In reply to] Can't Post

I think you have misunderstood large swathes of my post (I'm particularly perplexed by the reference to literacy).

But let me pick up on two points. Firstly, I did say that I am surprised at the lengths people will go to to ignore what info we have on the general audience views. And then you suggest that they didn't find the films to be too long!

Secondly your description of the audience reaction at the end of DOS could not be more helpful. "Now we are going to have to come back next time to see what happened!" Perfect! That's exactly my point.

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