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George R.R. Martin says he wants his epic series to have a LOTR ending

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Aug 14 2015, 10:58pm

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George-RR-Martin-thumbGeorge R.R. Martin, writer with a series of #1 bestellers, a hit HBO show and a measure of celebrity few writers ever achieve, has given a pretty substantial signal about the how the tone of his series "A Song of Ice and Fire," will end and he credits J.R.R. Tolkien. Martin has long praised Tolkien and credited him with influencing him and most every other fantasy writer.

But this time Martin got pretty specific.

He spoke in an exclusive interview with The Observer, where he didn't give anything away, but did reveal the kind of tone he hopes to have at the end.

"I’ve said before that the tone of the ending that I’m going for is bittersweet. I mean, it’s no secret that Tolkien has been a huge influence on me, and I love the way he ended Lord of the Rings. It ends with victory, but it’s a bittersweet victory."

Tolkien_2692769bMartin also talked about the golden age of television and mentioned some great shows that not everybody is watching, but he wasn't done with praising Tolkien.

"Frodo is never whole again," he said.

Martin is of course known for writing giant volumes and killing favorite characters. The joke goes that Martin isn't on Twitter because he already killed 140 characters and the fear is that by the end of the final book, Martin may write something of an apocalypse, which is why his Tolkien comparisons are so welcome for fans.

But he also praised a portion of Tolkien's writings that filmmaker Peter Jackson left out of his movies, save for a brief glimpse as part of another scene. Martin loves the Scouring of the Shire chapter.

"And the scouring of the Shire—brilliant piece of work, which I didn’t understand when I was 13 years old: “Why is this here? The story’s over?” But every time I read it I understand the brilliance of that segment more and more. All I can say is that’s the kind of tone I will be aiming for."

Martin is writing the sixth book in his series, "The Winds of Winter."

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Aug 16 2015, 3:54pm

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While I'm glad Mr. Martin has enjoyed much success and honours Tolkien's work, but I'm still perplexed at how much he is trying to be identified with JRRT. Martin has already established himself, yes? I'm beginning to be a bit sensitive about how much he seems to be trying to ride the Tolkien wave... but I will say I'm happy that Martin has such great taste. I wish him continued success in his own "write".




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Aug 17 2015, 2:21pm

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*tries to imagine Martin writing anything "sweet" * [In reply to] Can't Post

*fails*


I think he's so overdone the "bitter" that he'd have to do a Disney ending to make the series "bittersweet" overall. I suspect what he's got in mind would be along the lines of what Louise Cowan calls "infernal comedy" meaning that the protagonist goes through hell but lives to tell the tale, hence the story is not a tragedy in the end no matter how bad things got at times. Tolkien's story is more of a "purgatorial" comedy because people get tested and have to prove themselves/redeem themselves, but the ending is very happy for most of the characters.

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Aug 19 2015, 2:40am

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I've always appreciated Martin acknowledging his debt to Tolkien... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but on the other hand, he's also been open about his other influences, most notably late medieval and early modern history. He's singled out the Wars of the Roses in particular, though the extent of that influence on the "finished" work seems to be somewhat less than it was in the earliest drafts. GRRM has also been active in literary sci-fi/fantasy fandom for a long time and he's acknowledged numerous other authors in that field as influences as well.

The comparisons to Tolkien are obvious given the subgenre Martin is currently working in though, which is probably why he comes up more often than many others.



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grammaboodawg
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Aug 21 2015, 12:39am

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Especially HERE!!!! :D

Good points!




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Aug 21 2015, 3:51am

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It is a little weird just how big Martin has gotten; I can see how the endless comparisons between him and Tolkien can get tedious, though personally they only annoy me when it's people trying to use Martin to put down Tolkien (or more commonly, a simplified stereotype of Tolkien). Crazy



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