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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Aug 12 2015, 7:48am
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what's the buzz? tell me what's happening! incongruent things...
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First regarding the movies:
Where is Glamdring in DolGuldur???
Why Gandalf asks Thorin who did you tell about this quest and both Thorin and him are surprised of the orc pack hunting them if they are aware(bree prologue)that Thorins head has a price?
Wy PJ is going so secretive about what really happened in the production? Imean. I dont think none of us fans(likers or dislikers) will hate a portion of honest explanations here and there in the documentaries.
In LOTR there were and that was interesting. A lot more deal is with the hobbit that somehow felt cursed since the beginning.
My previous praise of the movie is still on. Despite the flaws due(i think) to peters way of vonstantly changing things even to the last minute(im a bit like that) the movies are very good!
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Aug 12 2015, 8:23am
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With regard PJ being 'secretive' about production...
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I would guess there are 2 pretty simple explanations for that.
1. Things got VERY busy on production, probably more so than on all 5 previous films just due to the scale of production (or rather, post production). Not helped by the late decision to turn 2 movies into 3.
2. WB will probably stricter control on such things compared to when it was New Line paying the bills. There's a level of professional courtesy too. It seems (or at least we all assume) studio pressure had more of a part in The Hobbit films than LOTR. Whilst still employed by WB(?) to make these movies and DVD's I'm not sure it's right for PJ to be openly critical and as direct in his explanations as he or we may wish him to be.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Aug 12 2015, 8:30am
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But really i have the strong feeling that they just dont finished the movie on time and that this time the bull caught them wildly.
The fact that the split into three decision would afect in such a level to BOFA is beyond my belief. I understand it affected badly to AUJ and DOS but the end was going to be the end after all. I dont know Probably im wrong
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Tol Eressea
Aug 12 2015, 8:43am
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(If pushed to imagine!) that Radagast chances upon the sword and hat as he travelled through DG and popped them in his sled.
I think the two things are distinct. Knowing someone is looking (via some ruffians) and knowing they are hot on your trail in the wilderness (an orc and warg pack) are two different things. In western terms, it's the difference between a wanted poster and an armed posse turning up at your hideout.
Is he being secretive? I'm struggling to think of a film production we know more about!
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Glorfindela
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Aug 12 2015, 10:31am
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Wy PJ is going so secretive about what really happened in the production? Imean. I dont think none of us fans(likers or dislikers) will hate a portion of honest explanations here and there in the documentaries.
Why do you think 'PJ is going so secretive about what really happened in the production'? Perhaps what we see is what there is? When it comes to PJ's relationship with Warner Bros, I'd say that he probably has contractual obligations preventing him from discussing this in public. He is also, after all, a businessman and would not like to jeopardise any chance of further business from film companies by uttering negative (and even other) remarks about his relationship with them.
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Aug 12 2015, 10:43am
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The answer to your question is in your question
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Because Thorin knew there was an price on his head, he was being extra careful to not be followed. (He also had alot of trouble finding Bilbos house at the start of AUJ) Gandalf also knows that Thorin will have been doing this. The answer therefore, to the quest party being followed, for Gandalf, in the heat of the moment, is that perhaps Thorin has told someone. Also Gandalf is panicked in that moment.
Different layers of inference in story telling, is not sloppy. How intentional or not it is, is not the whole point, it is how well it works. This is a natural fit for symbolic imagery, which is the nature of imaginative story making. That's not to say it is always going to be successful, but on that note, thus far in the two Hobbit EEs, I don't find anything that doesn't add to the overall narrative & it's style of pacing 
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Aug 12 2015, 12:47pm
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I dont see the whole point of him being the last of its kin to be true. I think he says it in order to protect his folk. Maybe he is not sure if there would be other skun changers still alive. But him being captive while Azog himself is afraid of him and when he barely on its own is able to swip gundabad army ....dint seem realistic to me
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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 12 2015, 1:27pm
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Even in Tolkien's canon, the first Beornings were not related to Beorn but were Men of the Anduin Vales who came to follow him after the Battle of Five Armies. In the years after the Battle, Beorn took a wife and sired his son Grimbeorn, who was also a Skin-changer--as were many of his descendants.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Aug 12 2015, 1:29pm
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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 12 2015, 1:35pm
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I did reference the book, but only for the example. There is no reason in the films to suspect that Beorn is lying about being the last of his kindred. It is possible that he is wrong about it; other Skin-changers could survive elsewhere, unknown to him.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Aug 12 2015, 1:44pm
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Otherwise I dont think lying about the location or existence of other skinchangers would have been completely out of character for a guy like him.
However I can think of Beorn movie who seems to be more troubled, confesing Gandalf his knowledge about the others
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AshNazg
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Aug 12 2015, 2:07pm
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I think them being secretive about some aspects is simply...
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They didn't want to spoil the next movie.
I think the EE for BoFA will be a lot more open, because there's nothing left to spoil.
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AshNazg
Gondor
Aug 12 2015, 2:09pm
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I hope we see Radagast use his cross-eye powers again...
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To bring Gandalf, and maybe Beorn, back. Possibly in the same scene that they find Glamdring and Gandalf gets a new staff.
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