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Mooseboy018
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Aug 5 2015, 8:04am
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That makes it sound even more unlikely.
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Silmaril
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Aug 5 2015, 9:20am
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What would you have done if you had the R rating? Interview PJ
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What would you have done if you had the R rating?
Oh all sorts of great things. I will tell you what, you wait for the extended cut of this film. There are a few Orc killings that we actually got knocked back. Because when we submitted this to the MPAA we got an R. So what you’re seeing is the result of heavy editing to even just get the PG-13. But there will be a little bit of Orc killing to be seen in the extended cut.http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/04/no-regrets-peter-jackson-says-goodbye-to-middle-earth.html
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adt100
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Aug 5 2015, 10:28am
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Is 'R' the equivalent of 15 in the UK?
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FrostyLemon
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Aug 5 2015, 10:45am
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I think this has something to do with the appendices
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The Desolation of Smaug EE is a 12, but the appendices part 9 is a 15. I think it's because Legolas call Tauriel a sl*t during an outtake.
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lionoferebor
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Aug 5 2015, 10:47am
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I think the original plan was for Fili to be beheaded, but I don't think they ever followed through with that idea. Thankfully...
but the gruesome Durin death moment (if it's included) is not that.
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Shagrat
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Aug 5 2015, 10:55am
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I assumed the Fili beheading also. Do tell. 
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Never_Underestimate_A_Dwarf
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Aug 5 2015, 11:01am
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Or if this is accurate. I'll withhold my judgement for the official announcements, but I assure you that a particular dwarf is NOT beheaded. That's just not gonna happen.
With the freedom of cgi orcs, I guess that can allow for some gruesome slayings. We've already seen plenty of orcs lose their heads in these movies, so what is it? More blood? That doesn't fit with the films, to have one excessively bloody battle. We didn't recieve that in LOTR.
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Shagrat
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Aug 5 2015, 11:16am
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I'm sure it will just be Beorn's kills
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We know he's going to run rampant, tearing things apart and crushing Orcs. I really wouldn't worry too much. Beorn on the rampage is very much a good thing!
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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 5 2015, 11:31am
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Is 'R' the equivalent of 15 in the UK?
Maybe. An R-rating means that minors must be accompanied by an adult.
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lionoferebor
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Aug 5 2015, 11:57am
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No one panic...it's not a beheading
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as far as I aware.
I heard that in the uncut version of Fili's death that Azog's blade goes straight through his body and that is how he's held before he's dropped. Watching his death I can see it and if I had to guess it probably happens right before Dwalin turns away.
As for Beorn I'm pretty certain he is one reason - if not the reason - for the R rating. I would be very surprised if he's not.
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Shagrat
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Aug 5 2015, 12:26pm
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It was clearly sanitized for the TC. It remains to be seen if it will be more graphic, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see a more explicit shot of the blade penetrating through Fili, possibly Kili also.
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Never_Underestimate_A_Dwarf
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Aug 5 2015, 12:39pm
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But what would adding that accomplish? Taking the time to add in a sword blade, more blood...for what purpose? There's so many things that can be "fixed" or added to the film, why spend time killing off the characters...more? So I hope they leave the deaths as is. It was bad enough.
There's so much speculation at this point, I like to keep guessing but I really have no idea what direction this EE will take. As others have said, we need more character moments and resolutions, not more gore (I'm excited to see more Beorn though).
Justice for Fili
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Aug 5 2015, 1:33pm
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What was "Jurrasic World" rated?
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There were a few guys that got crunched in that movie, along with blood spatter & all.
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lionoferebor
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Aug 5 2015, 1:42pm
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But what would adding that accomplish? Taking the time to add in a sword blade, more blood...for what purpose?
Aside from shock value...nothing.
In regards to Fili's death (and possibly Kili's) if the blade penetrating through his body is true, all they would have to do is cg it back in. It really wouldn't even be an extended scene but more of an edited scene. So really - if it's added back in - it wouldn't take away from the 30 minutes of extra footage.
There's so much speculation at this point, I like to keep guessing but I really have no idea what direction this EE will take. As others have said, we need more character moments and resolutions, not more gore (I'm excited to see more Beorn though).
As I said in a previous post, it doesn't take much for a movie rating to move up or down. In the case of violence it's not always how much violence but rather the type of violencethat pushes a film up to the next rating. We may get 20 minutes of extra violent scenes in the EE (hopefully not) or we may get less than 10 minutes, but as long as it's the "right kind" of violence that alone would change the rating to R.
Though I agree BOTFA really does need character *cough* Dwarf *cough* moments.
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brotherbeck
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Aug 5 2015, 2:21pm
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If the R rating is true than I am completely surprised and somewhat shocked. On one hand that seems absolutely crazy for a mega-budget mainstream adaption of a book that is widely enjoyed by children... Yet, on the other hand it has been shown time and time again that the ratings systems are completely inconsistent and in my opinion downright silly, at least in the U.S.
The ratings board here seems to have an aversion to actually showing blood and gore, but not violence and killing. The slew of PG-13 action films that have come out in recent years show this - dozens if not hundreds of people can be killed in all sorts of horribly violent ways but they are totally fine as long as no blood is show. And heaven forbid two adult characters have completely consensual sex in anything approaching a realistic or passionate manner - that usually guarantees an R rating right there.
I will say though that to me this does explain the odd and choppy editing choices around the finale though. If the scenes they had made of Beorn fighting were too graphic and got their PG-13 taken away it seems like they just didn't have enough time to change them or re-film them and so simply took them out. I still think this could have been handled much better but at least it explains the baffling 6-second cameo Beorn had.
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Eruonen
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Aug 5 2015, 2:54pm
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At least it wasn't rated M or NC17 because then we would know
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that the Kili / Tauriel scenes were more "extensive." ;)
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Elanor of Rohan
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Aug 5 2015, 4:11pm
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that Botfa was essentially not much more than an action film, and that it was lacking those character, quiet moments which were the strong point of Rotk, ( not only Pelennor Fields, evidently).
Therefore, we are talking about a TE lacking so many things to be added with the only thing it possesses: fights, to be made more gruesome, Alfrid's death  , as if Alfrid had not graced the screen enough...
We are still talking about Fili's beheading (pointless cruelty), or how much blood we should see as he dies.
I truly hope that there will be a theatre in my town or nearby showing Botfa EE but... my hopes to see something more are wearing thin.
Very saddened.
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SafeUnderHill
Rohan
Aug 5 2015, 4:59pm
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I'm pleased to see more fighting scenes will be included - this was something I loved about the ROTK EE.
I wonder what the UK rating is, since it often varies. FOTR got a PG rating here (lower than the 12A the rest of them have) and its the scariest film of them all!
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SafeUnderHill
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Aug 5 2015, 5:07pm
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Here's PJ explaining some things
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What would you have done if you had the R rating
Oh all sorts of great things. I will tell you what, you wait for the extended cut of this film. There are a few Orc killings that we actually got knocked back. Because when we submitted this to the MPAA we got an R. So what you’re seeing is the result of heavy editing to even just get the PG-13. But there will be a little bit of Orc killing to be seen in the extended cut
http://www.thedailybeast.com/...to-middle-earth.html
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Glorfindela
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Aug 5 2015, 5:17pm
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Agree totally with this. If that's the way it's going to go, it will leave me even further behind. (:
This movie didn't need more violence. It needed more character moments, which have been the best things about all the EEs, including LotR.
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DainPig
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Aug 5 2015, 5:26pm
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what about the profanities? - nudity?
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are we going to see some bad words in the EE?
Are we going to see nudity? Hahahah LOL this is kind of weird, Tauriel.... 
Sorry.
How aaaaaaaaaaaaaare you all???
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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens
Aug 5 2015, 5:31pm
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There's already nudity in AUJ EE, and that wasn't rated R.
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Ugh, agree
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