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Mooseboy018
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Aug 5 2015, 3:26am
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If it weren't for some of PJ's comments about extra brutal orc killings, I would have automatically assumed this was a mistake. Still very surprising though if it turns out to be true... How bad could "some violence" really be compared to what's in the six movies already?
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MechaGodzilla
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Aug 5 2015, 3:31am
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Yep, Jackson has talked about it before
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And my guess is Beorn is going to be responsible for most of those particularly "brutal orc killings". There's also the possibility that the torture scene made it in, and maybe Alfrid's demise which I could also see contributing to a higher rating.
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CathrineB
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Aug 5 2015, 3:32am
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More grusome deaths for the Durins? Oh noooo :'(
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Mooseboy018
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Aug 5 2015, 3:35am
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At least I hope not...
I'd say this is more a result of Beorn related stuff and overly sensitive movie board people.
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Elizabeth
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Aug 5 2015, 3:36am
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This movie didn't need more violence. It needed more character moments, which have been the best things about all the EEs, including LotR.
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1924
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Aug 5 2015, 3:36am
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orc killings wouldn't be the problem due to them being fantasy characters. It has to be violence against humans.
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Mooseboy018
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Aug 5 2015, 3:39am
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You might be right. I think the orcs' black blood is what kept LotR at PG-13. Because if that blood had been red, they probably would have had to cut some shots or make it R.
Maybe the torture scene with Beorn did make it in. Perhaps it's more gruesome than some of us expected...
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MechaGodzilla
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Aug 5 2015, 3:42am
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Well, one doesn't necessarily exclude the other
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Remember we're getting at least 30 minutes of additional footage in this EE, and whatever violence is added will probably amount to a pretty small part of that half hour or so. There'll be plenty of time for character moments as well. Personally, I want both more character moments and more action, and I'm confident we're getting both so I'm happy.
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MechaGodzilla
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Aug 5 2015, 3:47am
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Jackson gave them as a reason before, did he not?
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You're right that they can go further with the orc violence due to them not looking quite human, the black blood, etc. but there probably is a line even with orcs, and I think that line may very well be crossed many times over if/when Beorn gets involved in the battle. Remember Jackson's roots, he has a fondness for this stuff and I can easily see him really indulging in this when he gets to play around with a giant bear going berserk on a battlefield. 
But I could certainly see there being some (by this series' standards) nasty violence involving human characters as well, and that's why I mentioned the torture scene, and/or Alfrid's death by being catapulted into the mouth of a troll. Either or both of those could probably contribute to that R rating, depending on how graphic they are.
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Earl
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Aug 5 2015, 4:14am
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I feel the Hobbit movies have lacked so many of those character moments that elevated LOTR 
The Hobbit Soundtracks - Being an online archive of information concerning Howard Shore's score for The Hobbit films.
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lionoferebor
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Aug 5 2015, 4:24am
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but I heard one of Durin's deaths was cut back in the TE and was actually more gruesome.
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lionoferebor
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Aug 5 2015, 4:27am
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Nasty violent scenes involving humans and Beorn's torture scene probably play a big role in the rating, but based on the description of Alfrids death I don't see it pushing up the rating.
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Bishop
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Aug 5 2015, 4:33am
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This had best be a mistake or some unusual, unforseen obstacle that will be fixed
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I find the idea of a mainstream/blockbuster adaptation of The Hobbit being rated R to be both absurd and disturbing. If this turns out to be correct I won't even really know what to say.
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lionoferebor
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Aug 5 2015, 4:55am
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to push a movie up or down a rating. DOS was actually almost rated R as well and not for violence per say, but for a wiggling foot. In re to the scene where Thranduil beheads the Orc he and Legolas were interrogating the Orc's foot continues to twitch after its dead. PJ says in the commentaries that the movie was almost given an R rating because of that one scene. Which is crazy because there is no blood, it was a non-human fantasy character, while it was onscreen in was the background, and the moment last for less than a minute.
Just because BOFA EE is rated R doesn't necessarily mean there is going to have an extensive amount of violence...at the same time doesn't mean it won't. All it needs is that one scene for the MPAA to stamp an R on it.
In re to wiggling foot, PJ said he really wanted to keep the scene in the film and felt the MPAA was going a little overboard (I agree). So he fought it, and was able to keep the scene and the PG-13 rating. Though that is probably not the case with the BOFA EE. Some things are easier to talk down than others.
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Mooseboy018
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Aug 5 2015, 5:01am
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I think the original plan was for Fili to be beheaded, but I don't think they ever followed through with that idea. Thankfully...
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lionoferebor
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Aug 5 2015, 5:19am
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I think in a way this could be good...if for no other reason PJ and co are not limited to what they can put in. 
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NecromancerRising
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Aug 5 2015, 5:25am
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Yes, this could be good indeed.I really want this battle
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to significantly differentiate from the Battle of Pelennor Fields which was pretty bad and fake-looking in my opinion. Some violent bits could be a crucial factor to achieve it, although my main problem with the battle was the lack of a tight editing.
"You cannot find peace by avoiding life"
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Legolas_Shoehorn
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Aug 5 2015, 6:11am
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"I really want this battle to significantly differentiate from from the Battle of Pelennor Fields which was pretty bad and fake-looking in my opinion."
Are you serious?!
My English is not that good, my Elvish is better ;-)
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Aug 5 2015, 6:25am
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He is, but we can pretend like he's not...
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"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen
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Hanzkaz
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Aug 5 2015, 6:42am
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I wonder if they'll show Smaug actually eating people.
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- He did seem to be the type who likes playing with his food.
From the makers of 'The Lord of the Rings' comes the sequel to Peter Jackson's Hobbit Trilogy -
'The War in the North, Part I : The Sword in the Tomb'.
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Earl
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Aug 5 2015, 7:41am
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The funeral scene would be macabre if he were beheaded
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I'm almost afraid to hope for anything good out of the EE 
The Hobbit Soundtracks - Being an online archive of information concerning Howard Shore's score for The Hobbit films.
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