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Shagrat
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Aug 5 2015, 5:35pm
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Don't panic. You surely wanted more Beorn on the rampage - what did you expect, him handing out flowers? I strongly suspect this will be the extent of the R-rating, and will it last that long? Probably not. If this EE is low on character moments, it won't be because of the R-rating of that you can be sure.
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adt100
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Aug 5 2015, 5:53pm
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Really? What's the point of an 'R' then?
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If minors can still go in accompanied by an adult than that doesn't make it that 'restrictive' does it!? The ratings have changed a few times over here in the past 20 years, I think we have a '12A these days with most of the EE's are rated I believe. In other words, it's recommend for 12 year olds and over but those under 12 can go in with an adult. Then you have 15 and 18 at the top end.
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Aug 5 2015, 8:16pm
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I've seen some movies that I was astonished were R-rated, as well as some PG-13 films that I think really ought to have been. I think that's partly because the ratings depend not only on what is depicted, but on the number of repetitions of a thing. That's how The King's Speech got an R: One scene, in which he repeats certain common swear words multiple times as part of his speech therapy. It got the rating because it exceeded the number of instances acceptable for the PG13. If that scene weren't in it at all, the film would have been rated G. Is that really worse than, for instance, watching people be mauled or eaten by dinosaurs, or mowed down by gunfire? Not in my book, but that's how the ratings work.
So just the fact that this has been rated R isn't enough information without knowing why. Is it gratuitous new violence, or is it just that now we have 3 or 4 instances of something and before we only had 2? I was already surprised at the number of obvious beheadings they managed to get in under the PG13. Honestly, I'm not expecting anything vastly more disturbing than we've already seen. I have a feeling the film as released was already just edging in under the PG13 and it wouldn't take much to push it over. One extra scene of a kind that they are already at the limit for could do it.
Also, keep in mind that direct-to-disc extended editions of any movie are Unrated, because ratings are only required for theatrical showings. The LOTR EEs were not rated on release. It was only when they were going to show them in the theaters for Trilogy Tuesday that they were given a rating. The BOTFA EE wouldn't have a rating either if they weren't doing a special release - and in that case, we would never have known and we wouldn't be having this discussion and worrying in advance. We'd just be doing our usual of hashing over and critiquing each new scene individually on its own merits or demerits once we saw it.
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Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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KingTurgon
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Aug 5 2015, 8:34pm
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I'm sure the character moments will be there
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Who knows, one scene may have been enough to push the EE over the R border
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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 5 2015, 8:57pm
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If minors can still go in accompanied by an adult than that doesn't make it that 'restrictive' does it!?
The R-rating places the onus on the parents or guardians. They have to decide if the film is appropriate for their children. It's good for the studios and theater-owners because it is less restrictive than either the NC-17 or X-rating.
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adt100
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Aug 5 2015, 9:00pm
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I doubt very much this means PJ has suddenly opened the floodgates and put loads of new 'blood and guts' gory scenes everywhere.
Not sure I understand your point on direct to disc being unrated however. In the UK they are certainly rated just as any movie is. From memory, most of the TC's of all 6 films where either PG or 12. The EE's have all been 12, with the one exception of DOS EE which surprisingly received a 15 rating. I think this was mainly due to the language and such of the Master rather than anything to do with excessive violence and gore however.
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adt100
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Aug 5 2015, 9:02pm
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So really it's inbetween a 12A and 15 by UK standards?
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In which case, I don't see a problem at all. DOS EE was rated at 15 in the UK (the only Middle Earth film to receive that rating).
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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 5 2015, 9:10pm
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In which case, I don't see a problem at all. DOS EE was rated at 15 in the UK (the only Middle Earth film to receive that rating).
Different countries have their own standards; naturally, they don't always match up completely. What I can't figure out is why anyone is surprised by the rating. Jackson was very upfront about the fact that his first cut for TH:BotFA would have been rated 'R' and he had to tone it down to receive PG-13.
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Bofur01
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Aug 5 2015, 9:42pm
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I thought that was only due to the appendices...
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..with the "bollocks" scene...
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Dwarewien
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Aug 5 2015, 10:11pm
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since the blood spatters and the like aren't any worse than any of the other movies, even the original. I should know, I've seen Jurassic World seven times (though it will be eight on Sunday, since it will be moving to our cheapest theater, which means its theatrical run is almost over in my neck of the woods), and I didn't find it all that gory. Sure there's blood, since the Indominus Rex eats everything that moves once she breaks out of her paddock, but that's to be expected from a Jurassic Park film.
I don't mind the R rating for the Extended Edition of BoFA, as long as it doesn't include any beheadings of any of the Durins (or else I'm never watching the Extended Edition of BoFA ever again, since that's not something that I want to see, whether the one that gets beheaded is my favorite or not. Save that for the Orcs and other villainous type characters). Other than being a Jurassic Park fan, I'm also a Stephen King fan, so you should see some of the blood and gore in some of those movies, so if those don't bother me, why would BoFA (other than anything bad happening to my favorite character, but that's besides the point)? 
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OldestDaughter
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Aug 5 2015, 10:22pm
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That it is going to be rated R. None of the other Tolkien movies have been rated R, and there is some intense violence in the other movies,(such as 'meats back on the menu.' My mom doesn't think anything can get worse than that.)
I'm just hoping the violence is only with orcs and not with any beloved characters.
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adt100
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Aug 5 2015, 10:55pm
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DOS EE was rated 15 in the UK primarily due to the extended scenes with the Master.
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Avandel
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Aug 5 2015, 11:17pm
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This movie didn't need more violence. It needed more character moments, which have been the best things about all the EEs, including LotR.
Although I could go for more Thranduil fighting in Dale, because of the sheer beauty, ditto for the Durins, and Beorn of course. Not more muddled aerial shots or rabble-fighting-orc shots tho it might be amusing to see Hilda using her spear - IMO one of the best woman in ME.
Anyway, in the U.S., so last night I am watching bare bottoms on my TV screen, w. some pixelating of certain areas - e.g., this to me all sounds absurd in that a film is getting fretted over because of some most likely bloodless CGI heads are flying around, but there's stuff on TV that isn't rated at all, not too mention some comments in commercials I don't consider to be family-friendly either.
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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glor
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Aug 6 2015, 12:10am
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The R rating is probably because Beorn in full skin changing bear form tearing through the orcs in battle is probably unsuitable for children, according to those with the power to decide such things.
To those that issue film certifications a giant bear monster ripping through the enemy in battle would be considered too scary for a PG-13, if that scene from a fans point of view is to be given justice.
I don't think it will be overly gory, just too scary and frightening for a 'general audience'
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Mooseboy018
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Aug 6 2015, 3:18am
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Maybe they'll got back and give Dain the axe his was meant to have instead of that hammer.
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Lindele
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Aug 6 2015, 4:01am
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That the scene of the axe being removed from Bifur's head will earn an R rating
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Aug 6 2015, 5:21am
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I'm specifically talking about US ratings.
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Since the main topic was on the fact that it's gotten an R in the US rating system. And here, films are only rated if they're submitted to the ratings board, which only has to be done prior to theatrical release. They can submit direct-to-disc films for rating, but generally they don't unless they really want a certain rating stamped on it (G to prove it's suitable for kids, for example). My LOTR EE DVDs do not have a rating on them, because they were sold prior to the special theatrical release. If you buy a new set of the LOTR EEs now they probably do, since all of the films have since been rated.
I'm not familiar with the criteria used for ratings in the UK, so I'm not qualified to speculate on that side of things.
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Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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MyWeeLadGimli
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Aug 6 2015, 6:27am
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I bought the LOTR EE's as they were initially released, and they all have the PG-13 on the box.
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Silverlode
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Aug 6 2015, 8:21am
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I have just taken a closer look, and interestingly enough, the PG-13 is on the underside of the box but not on the discs themselves or the other usual places in the packaging I glanced at earlier. So clearly my memory (and my eyesight) was faulty on that one. 
However, I have seen some directors cuts left unrated (and sometimes advertised as such).
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Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Aug 6 2015, 10:43am
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Knowing Peter Lucas he'll probably have an Alfrid sex scene 
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Shagrat
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Aug 6 2015, 10:49am
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When you try and be funny about these things it's usually a good idea to check the classification and see that it's 'Rated R for some violence'
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