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balbo biggins
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Aug 5 2015, 2:34am
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Lets get back to basics, the future of middle earth adaptions
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ok, weve had our fun, lotr was an epic trilogy and at the time was ground breaking in the way it took fantasy seriously, although it was 'hollywoodized' somewhat with the casting understandably, its legacy has for me somewhat been tarnished and muddied with the hobbit trilogy,merchandising and other media. Im not saying i didnt enjoy the hobbit films for what they were, but its a long road back to the books from tauriel, alfrid, smaugs chase scene, and azog.
Now we can play shadows of mordor and fruit machines, collect all manner of plastic film tie in merch watch endless parodies online and have an airline use the characters to sell seats. we seem to be more obsessed with the actors who play the characters than the actual characters as they were written, cosplay is based on the movie lore rather than whats described by tolkien himself. Isnt it about time we got back to looking at the text and the seriousness of the works in all its literary genius and its ideas and origins.
when the next chapter of reinterpretations comes along Id like to see us going back to remembering dwaves are not just comic characters, middle earth is set in the real world not a cgi mess, when i think of thorin its not handsome RA but a little big nosed bitter gnome from a grimm fairy tale.
although i feel the ties ins and commercialization has gone to far, I have thoroughly enjoyed the ride and whats happened to the works of jrr tolkien in the last 15 years. But its so far from how i felt when i first opened that huge book up reading the three rings poem and the strange, dark and otherworldy story unfolded. i think weve lost some of that along the way, alot fo the gravitas has evaporated into hobbit lego and collectable movie figurines.
I look forward to getting back to the real essence of the stories through adaptions in the future, i know there is always the book, which will always be mine, but i love the visual medium of film and animation, or plays and radio and I look forward to seeing more truly faithful adaptations.
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QuackingTroll
Valinor
Aug 6 2015, 12:52am
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A few ideas I'd like to see in the future...
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A Silmarillion TV Show (based on PJ's movies)
A sequel to Ralph Bakshi's animated Lord of the Rings film (possibly Kickstarter funded?).
A remake of The Hobbit & LotR as a live-action TV show (the only medium that hasn't taken Middle-earth on yet) I imagine something between the BBC Radio show and Game of Thrones. - something that. as you suggest, takes the source material a little more "seriously".
Better video-game tie-ins that explore characters like Tom Bombadil, Prince Imrahil and Ghan Buri Ghan.
Rankin/Bass TV movies for Fellowship of the Ring and Two Towers (unpopular, but I'd love to see it)
Lord of the Rings sequel to The Hobbit graphic novel.
And of course, BoFA DLC for Lego The Hobbit video game.
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Aug 6 2015, 1:23pm
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Lord of the Rings sequel to The Hobbit graphic novel.
This would have been untenable even just twenty years ago, but I could see it being done today. I'm a little surprised that there doesn't ever seem to have been an official manga adaptation of either The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings. After thinking about it, maybe I'm not all that surprised. Even if a manga publisher was prepared to print it, I'm not sure that the Tolkien Estate would authorize a manga adaptation.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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dormouse
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Aug 7 2015, 3:45pm
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I think it's very unlikely that you'll ever find what you're looking for in...
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..any big screen movie adaptation, because these are stories which demand such huge budgets to visualise the scale and atmosphere Tolkien wove through his words. And where big budgets are, commercialisation follows - it has to. Film making is a business. And if there are more films then I suspect that a day may come when you look back with nostalgia on Peter Jackson's adaptations - there have been film versions of favourite books which didn't pay a quarter of the attention to the original that he did. Some directors don't even read the source book.....
Animation and radio, perhaps. There's more scope there to be faithful to the original and creative in other ways. I love the BBC adaptation of Lord of the Rings, and there are some non-cartoony modern styles of animation which seem to lend themselves to the mystery and magic of the stories.
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balbo biggins
Rohan
Aug 7 2015, 6:36pm
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i disagree about needing big budgets for making a tolkien film, all you need is actors, creativity and some imagination on the viewers part, ive seen some great epic Shakespeare films with barely a set.
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dormouse
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Aug 7 2015, 7:18pm
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But Shakespeare's plays don't involve races other than human....
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... except in A Midsummer Night's Dream, and the fairies are clearly human scale. They don't involve the landscape and distance in the way Tolkien does, let alone dragons et al.
I think a stage play would be far more likely to work in the way you're talking about, because the audience is more likely to accept the physical limits of the production and use their imagination - 'Piece out our imperfections with your thoughts'. Seems to me that one of the major problems besetting the Hobbit films is that part of the audience seems completely unwilling to be an audience and use their imaginations.... too many want to share the director's chair.
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balbo biggins
Rohan
Aug 7 2015, 9:22pm
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... except in A Midsummer Night's Dream, and the fairies are clearly human scale. They don't involve the landscape and distance in the way Tolkien does, let alone dragons et al.
I think a stage play would be far more likely to work in the way you're talking about, because the audience is more likely to accept the physical limits of the production and use their imagination - 'Piece out our imperfections with your thoughts'. Seems to me that one of the major problems besetting the Hobbit films is that part of the audience seems completely unwilling to be an audience and use their imaginations.... too many want to share the director's chair.
two words. the tempest!
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dormouse
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Aug 7 2015, 10:09pm
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The Tempest is certainly another...
But I'd still say (you can't keep a good dormouse down) that Shakespeare's plays were written to be performed by a small company of actors, often in a comparatively intimate setting in places we wouldn't consider theatres at all - galleried inn yards, great houses, guildhalls. Tolkien's books have no stage, a cast of thousands and no limit but the reader's imagination. It's a very different beast and needs different handling.
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balbo biggins
Rohan
Aug 7 2015, 11:35pm
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shakepseare did write for a company but that didnt stop him portraying epic stories that involved travel, wars involving thousands and big ideas..
i think your dismissing many interesting ideas on how an adaption can work, less is sometimes more, if words or a stage play can do it, theres no reason why a film cant either. a good example is dogville.
but most importantly my original point was about being truer to the ideas and text and that doenst cost a thing.
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Glaurung63
Lorien
Aug 8 2015, 4:48am
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In recent years I have enjoyed the movies made by fans, low budget but full of heart, original scripts...I would love to see more! How about a fan made film about the Old Forest, with Tom and Goldberry and Old Man Willow!
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