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Kilidoescartwheels
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Aug 3 2015, 5:07pm
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The point of Kili's tear
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Okay, in BOT5A after Kili gets stabbed by Bolg, he says something to Tauriel, I think it's "My Love," and then a tear slides down his cheek before he dies. Well there could be a few reasons for that tear: 1. he's in pain; 2. he thinks of the life he could have lived being cut short; or 3. it's for Tauriel. It's touching, and to me the only part of that whole slow-mo stuff that I can really accept. Kind of wish they'd done the slow-mo thing for Fili, but that's another subject. But what does anyone else think? Too sad? Too cheesy? Don't care?
Sorry, don't have a screencap of Kili's tear, but you get the idea.
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Arandir
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Aug 3 2015, 6:06pm
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In my opinion. Not so much the tear but the slow-mo reactions of Kili's face, then Tauriel's wide-open mouth, then Kili's gasp ...
I always saw the tear as being emotional pain at not being able to live his life with Tauriel.
I'll never get tired of stating the mistake of isolating the three dwarf heroes from each other during this sequence.
And Fili's lack of attention ... ugh ... let's not dwell on that.
Out of the three deaths, Thorin's was the (most) emotional one - and not so much the way he's mortally wounded (again, cheesy and cliche) but his farewell to Bilbo. That moment held afloat those final 10 minutes of climax.
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DainPig
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Aug 3 2015, 9:49pm
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"I'm sorry, Tauriel, we will never live togheter."
How aaaaaaaaaaaaaare you all???
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Mooseboy018
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Aug 3 2015, 10:17pm
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"I wasn't able to avenge my brother..."
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Mooseboy018
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Aug 3 2015, 10:21pm
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Didn't Philippa Boyens at one point specifically say that they were sticking straight to how their deaths played out in the book? And then they decided to muddle things up with those darn elves instead... I'm surprised they didn't cut to random shots of Legolas doing backflips while Thorin was saying farewell to Bilbo.
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CathrineB
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Aug 3 2015, 11:13pm
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It really to me was just the cherry ontop of the thick layer of cheese  Gosh people go on and on about how awful Fili's death scene is and while YES it is awful the shock of is it's pretty good. Kili's death is so cheesy I want to cry for complete other reasons  So to me that tear doesn't work. It's just too much cheese. Felt like it was something about that awful lovestory rather than you know, just having lost his... oh idon't know? Brother?
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Never_Underestimate_A_Dwarf
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Aug 3 2015, 11:19pm
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It's cheesy to me. Kili's death is overall pretty cheesy. He dies away from his family and other dwarves. He didn't shed a tear for his brother, It bothers me to watch it.
Kind of wish they'd done the slow-mo thing for Fili
I honestly don't think I'd be able to handle that.
Justice for Fili
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DainPig
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Aug 3 2015, 11:30pm
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I found it, but without the tear
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OldestDaughter
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Aug 3 2015, 11:35pm
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But I get extremely emotional over deaths, so Kili's death made me cry!
And I think he was crying over Tauriel, that he was leaving her and would never be able to love her again.
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Ilmatar
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Aug 4 2015, 8:02am
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The scene was unfortunately cheesy - due to the way it was filmed, more than any failure in acting - and made MUCH worse by the slow-mo, but I think the tear was "natural" in a way, at that point. I don't think it was only/mainly for Tauriel, rather it would make sense to me that in his final moments Kíli realized the crushing enormity of all that he had lost: the fight, his brother, his life (and yes, Tauriel too - and any chance of protecting her from a similar fate - but not as the "main thing"). No doubt he was in pain too. His first adventure had turned out to be his last, he had lost Fíli and Tauriel both (and had no way of knowing what might happen to Thorin), he had failed to keep his promise to Dís, and knew he was about to die. It all sunk in at the last moment and I would not blame anyone for shedding a tear under the circumstances.
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Ilmatar
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Aug 4 2015, 8:19am
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Tears come later - if there IS a later
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He didn't shed a tear for his brother, It bothers me to watch it. Seems to me he simply didn't have time to mourn. When you lose someone very close, the first response is usually not crying (except in most movies), instead it is a total shock/panic, denial, and then anger (see the five stages of loss and grief). In a battle situation, and seeming to be an impulsive personality, Kíli went from shock to rage in a heartbeat and ran off to avenge his brother. If he had survived, he would have had time to cry after the initial shock was over.
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Aug 4 2015, 12:03pm
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I have to agree with CatherineB
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It really to me was just the cherry ontop of the thick layer of cheese Gosh people go on and on about how awful Fili's death scene is and while YES it is awful the shock of is it's pretty good. Kili's death is so cheesy I want to cry for complete other reasons So to me that tear doesn't work. It's just too much cheese. Felt like it was something about that awful lovestory rather than you know, just having lost his... oh idon't know? Brother?
I never really thought of the meaning behind Kili's tear probably because I'm too preoccupied rolling my eyes at the cheesiness of the entire scene...the slow motion, the girl...and wishing it would just end. Which is sad because Aidan Turner is a great actor and PJ. and co have written some very emotional and beautiful death scenes...i.e. Boromir, Thorin, Theoden, even Fili's death which people continually grumble about is moving in its own shocking, surreal kind of way.
SIDE NOTE: Despite the complaints about Fili's death it's seems according to this poll http://newboards.theonering.net/...=844813;poll=results it's one of the top three best Hobbit/LOTR death scenes, coming in only after Boromir and Thorin. That said I do not think it should have been in slow motion. The speed at which it runs, the music, the acting all plays together beautifully.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Aug 4 2015, 4:43pm
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"Which is sad because Aidan Turner is a great actor ..." Oh yeah, the season finale of "Poldark" had me crying my eyes out
"Despite the complaints about Fili's death it's seems according to this poll http://newboards.theonering.net/...=844813;poll=results it's one of the top three best Hobbit/LOTR death scenes, coming in only after Boromir and Thorin. That said I do not think it should have been in slow motion. The speed at which it runs, the music, the acting all plays together beautifully." Well I guess, I'm just saying I would rather they speed thru Kili's death than give us that slow-mo stuff, which I agree was cheesy except for the tear. That's interesting about Fili in that poll. I guess the biggest problem I have with Fili's death is that it appeared he didn't go down fighting like Boromir or Thorin, and that's really out of character for him. I know he had blood on his face, which tells me a fight happened somewhere. I just would have liked to see him take out a few Orcs before being overwhelmed by Azog (probably slammed in the head with Azog's mace). Well there's always a chance of that in the EE, here's hoping.
Fili as i remember him, a fierce warrior - Justice for Fili indeed!
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Aug 4 2015, 4:47pm
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He didn't shed a tear for his brother, It bothers me to watch it. Seems to me he simply didn't have time to mourn. When you lose someone very close, the first response is usually not crying (except in most movies), instead it is a total shock/panic, denial, and then anger (see the five stages of loss and grief). In a battle situation, and seeming to be an impulsive personality, Kíli went from shock to rage in a heartbeat and ran off to avenge his brother. If he had survived, he would have had time to cry after the initial shock was over.
I think Kili's inital reaction was VERY accurate - according to actual battle reports, a fair number of soldiers would react just like that (and clearly what Azog was counting on). Revenge, then tears.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Aug 4 2015, 6:24pm
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LOL!
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Avandel
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Aug 4 2015, 6:57pm
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Thorin has my heart and soul , but that doesn't mean I don't look around while he's up at Erebor picking out whatever bling-ring he's wearing today....so:
I'm no great fan of the Tauriel/Kili thing anyway, but thanks to the skill of the actors and an often-terrific script, I actually think this separation scene was really well done.
So every time I see the ridiculously beautiful Kili looking back, wind blowing in his hair, so *besotted* in my head this VOICE starts screaming "Go after him! Go after him! What, elves can't swim!!!!! OMG you *______________*" *puts head down and cries* 
LOL gotta love those Durins - may be some cheese here and there, but it's PREMIUM, high-calorie, top grade ARTISAN cheese
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Aug 4 2015, 8:14pm
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Did someone say "Cheese?"
Step away from the cheese, and no one gets hurt!
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"Tauriel, you make me feel alive - and your hair is almost as nice as mine! You'd fit in well with the Hair of Durins!"
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Avandel
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Aug 5 2015, 2:00am
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Uh-oh.....
Oh, yes, Precious, "premium" doesn't even BEGIN to cover it.....
Wet or dry.....
The dwarves just have it....
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Aug 5 2015, 1:54pm
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"Look, they're Dwarves, they're supposed to be hairy!"
The Hair of Durins - oh, my!
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Ditto
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