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spymaster@theonering.net
Jul 29 2015, 10:19pm
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Did the Dwarves Pre-write "Blunt the Knives"
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In our latest Library feature, Katelyn Rushe shares her theory that the Dwarves pre-wrote the song "Blunt the Knives" to deliberately tease the hobbit, Bilbo Baggins and get him "all fired up".
Did the Dwarves Pre-write "Blunt The Knives"? By: Katelyn Rushe
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 30 2015, 11:46am
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Perhaps the song already existed
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Some version of the song might have already existed before the Unexpected Party. The Dwarves might have only had to adapt it to fit the situation.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Ruxendil_Thoorg
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Jul 30 2015, 6:31pm
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"That's what [fill in person's name] hates!"
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You mean something like "...happy birthday dear___[Bilbo]___ happy birthday to you"? I dunno Sempai. Just to play Melkor's advocate here, I might question whether any Dwarves of any of the seven kingdoms would have a traditional song about silverware, glasses, corks, pantry floor, bedroom mat, etc Seems like it was meant for a gentlehobbit who lives in a comfortable Smial. I had thought of Dwarves as more about finger-food, ripe-meat-off-the-bone types. (Putting aside the likelihood or unlikelihood that they would have an existing song with an existing and well known choreographed routine, like how we have set moves for YMCA or the Macarena, but with team dishware juggling.) (Now I kinda wish the YMCA or the Macarena came with a team dishware juggling routine.) (That would make for quite the unexpected party.)
*** Eru Ilvatar lived in a timeless state, Then he created the Ainur to sing his magnum opus. Wait. The one who had most power, Melkor, sang his section sour, Ilvatar got rather dour, He sang E! (he let the Ainur in). Melkor, in jealousy, he sought to mar the symphony That all started with the first word. (BANG!) https://youtu.be/lhTSfOZUNLo
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Nomad
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Jul 30 2015, 10:23pm
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It is interesting how almost everyone in Middle Earth seemingly has incredible improvisational bard-ic gifts.
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All the hobbits are always making up or altering songs on the fly... then there is Aragorn and Legolas with Boromir's funeral song... the Gandalf mourning songs in Lothlorien... Middle Earth is a magical place where proper meter and rhyme are genetically encoded into the very biosphere itself (well, at least since the seas were bent... prior I guess it would be some sort of bioplatter).
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 30 2015, 10:43pm
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Exactly! Just like Merry and Pippin!
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In LotR Merry and Pippin (I think) sing an adapted version of the Misty Mountain song, it's not hard to join in if someone starts improvising a parody, because the tune and many of the lyrics will be familiar. ...Unless it's one of Ruxendil_Thoorg's great parodies, then it takes multiple attempts to get it right
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Ruxendil_Thoorg
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Jul 31 2015, 2:14am
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Hey there Q how's it going? Thanks for the shout-out. I'm not sure which Misty Mountain song by Merry and Pippin's you might be referring to, but it's quite true that there are a lot of songs that are sung, including songs that are, seemingly spontaneously, adapted from other songs, like the Road Goes Ever On (and On) variation in LOTR that seems to be adapted from the Road Goes Ever (Ever) On version that was in TH. What, my parodies are that hard? jk, i often have trouble remembering all the lyrics myself.
*** Eru Ilvatar lived in a timeless state, Then he created the Ainur to sing his magnum opus. Wait. The one who had most power, Melkor, sang his section sour, Ilvatar got rather dour, He sang E! (he let the Ainur in). Melkor, in jealousy, he sought to mar the symphony That all started with the first word. (BANG!) https://youtu.be/lhTSfOZUNLo
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L. Ron Halfelven
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Jul 31 2015, 2:27am
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They also claim to have written Katy Perry's 'Roar', so I'd be wary.//
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Arandiel
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Jul 31 2015, 4:02am
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Regardless of their culinary habits at home, the Dwarves had spent a long time traveling, probably depending on the hospitality of other people they met as they searched for a new place to settle. I could imagine them learning about all sorts of food customs (and cutlery) along the way. And finding ways to poke fun at them.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 31 2015, 12:03pm
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I dunno Sempai. Just to play Melkor's advocate here, I might question whether any Dwarves of any of the seven kingdoms would have a traditional song about silverware, glasses, corks, pantry floor, bedroom mat, etc Seems like it was meant for a gentlehobbit who lives in a comfortable Smial. Sometimes Dwarves just wanna have fun! It might be a nonsense song that Dwarves learn in their youth and might just be adaptable. Either that, or Dwarves are just naturally good at improvisation.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 31 2015, 12:07pm
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In LotR Merry and Pippin (I think) sing an adapted version of the Misty Mountain song, it's not hard to join in if someone starts improvising a parody, because the tune and many of the lyrics will be familiar. I remember Merry & Pippin singing "The Man in the Moon Stayed Up Too Late" but not any version of the "Misty Mountain" song.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 31 2015, 7:12pm
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And apologizes for doubting you. I never caught that.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Aug 3 2015, 10:53pm
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Watching the DVD of AUJ was that after the singing of the man in the moon song, nice to see it back in btw, was that fairly shortly after, the Goblins in the Misty Mountains, also sang a song and it did to me sound similair to the man in the moon tune. Which does go to show that despite them been common enemies and everything, the Dwarves and Goblins did have a bit in common, they both liked singing! Strange, that.
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shadowdog
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Aug 5 2015, 8:43pm
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Since the dwarves had never met Bilbo and knew nothing about Hobbits prior to arriving at his doorstep, I can't imagine then having prewritten a song to tease him.
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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 5 2015, 9:15pm
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Since the dwarves had never met Bilbo and knew nothing about Hobbits prior to arriving at his doorstep, I can't imagine then having prewritten a song to tease him. The presumption is that the original song would have been more generic and the Dwarves would have customized it to apply to Bilbo. Doesn't seem any less likely than it being completely improvised.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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