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Did the Dwarves Pre-write "Blunt the Knives"

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Jul 29 2015, 10:19pm

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Blunt the Knives 5In our latest Library feature, Katelyn Rushe shares her theory that the Dwarves pre-wrote the song "Blunt the Knives" to deliberately tease the hobbit, Bilbo Baggins and get him "all fired up".




Did the Dwarves Pre-write "Blunt The Knives"?


By: Katelyn Rushe
 Something that I should probably clarify at the beginnings of my Hobbit theory essays is what a "fan theory" is. The best definition that I can think of is that it's an idea regarding something in a film, show, book, or some other storytelling medium that members of the fanbase choose to believe even though that idea is typically not the intention of the original creator. Fans conceive such ideas for various reasons, sometimes to fill in plotholes or to connect things in the narrative that seem like they could fit together, but the purpose of most fan theories is to provide a more interactive way of enjoying a story. We like to feel as if we contributed something to our favorite films, shows, books, and so forth, and putting together evidence to support our theories can make for a fun brain exercise.With that said, I want to present another fan theory about the Peter Jackson Hobbit films: that the dwarves of Thorin Oakenshield's company wrote and rehearsed the song "Blunt the Knives" prior to meeting Bilbo Baggins.
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This theory could perhaps apply to the book as well, but I'll be discussing it mainly in the context of the movies. That's because the song's inclusion is a bit more conspicuous in the film adaptation.

By in large, the six Peter Jackson Middle-earth movies try to ground the stories of The Hobbit andThe Lord of the Rings in reality more than the books do. The animals don't speak for the most part, uses of magic are depicted very subtly, and aside from a few goofy combat physics (mostly on the part of the mystical elves), the characters don't bend the laws of time and space too much. Considering this, it's a bit jarring to see twelve dwarves break out into an improvised, well-timed song and dance number where everyone sings along in perfect harmony and knows every word. When does that ever happen outside of a musical?
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It's easy to believe other singing scenes in the Hobbit movies, namely the dwarves' renditions of "The Misty Mountains Cold" and "The Man in the Moon Stayed Up Too Late," but that's because we can assume that they've known those songs for a long time and have probably sung them before. This leads me to wonder if perhaps the song "Blunt the Knives" wasn't improvised after all, but was in fact another piece that the dwarves knew well before performing it.

They would have had the time to compose it; Gandalf decides on the morning of the Unexpected Party that he will send the dwarves to Bag End, and they don't arrive there until late in the evening. Furthermore, the first dozen arrive at roughly the same time, which could mean that they spent a good portion of their journey from the Blue Mountains to the Shire traveling together. A trip that long can get boring, and since Middle-earth dwarves are shown to be musically inclined, the twelve of them could have easily come up with and memorized a song about their soon-to-be host along the way. They would know his name, since Gandalf says that morning that he will "inform the others" of Bilbo's inclusion on their quest and Kili almost says it correctly upon meeting Bilbo.
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The song's lead-in at the party is also somewhat suspicious. Right in the middle of their rowdy celebration, the dwarves all start pounding their silverware on the table in perfect rhythm until Bilbo complains that they'll blunt them, then the dwarf Bofur very slyly relays this concern to the others. It's as if they were deliberately baiting Bilbo into saying something close to their song's opening line and then Bofur cued everyone to start singing it. This begs the question of whether all of their rude behavior before that really was plain ignorance or actually one big act to get Mr. Baggins fired up.

The next question is why the dwarves would want to tease him so thoroughly. Most likely, it's because Gandalf mentioned while informing them of Bilbo that the hobbit was sort of a stick in the mud. The wizard makes it clear while talking to Bilbo that morning that he's unhappy with the way Belladonna Took's son has turned out, so he probably conveyed that unhappiness to the company and painted a less than flattering picture of the halfling. This may have given the dwarves the (correct) impression that they wouldn't be welcome in Bag End, so they may have decided to give Bilbo the same treatment that they give to most hosts who don't appreciate their company.
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Just look at their behavior in Rivendell later: they make a mess at the dinner table, sing a song that the elves clearly don't like, eat them out of house and home, trash the furniture, and do something in a public fountain that probably also caused a few plumbing issues.

Compare that then to their respectful behavior in the house of Beorn, a giant skin-changer who makes a habit of tearing apart unwanted visitors, and their reverence in Erebor, the home of their forefathers. Dwarves are entirely capable of civility, but they'll be stubborn and proud if they can afford to be. If they pick up any holier-than-thou vibes from someone and believe that they can get away with a few pranks, they'll gladly entertain themselves at that person's expense. Writing a song about ruining said person's belongings is one of the tamer things they can do.

With that said though, they seem to like Bilbo a lot more than they like the elves. Why else would they clean his dishes after all was said and done? If "Blunt the Knives" was a pre-written prank, then it was obviously meant in good nature. It's almost flattering, really, that the dwarves went to the trouble to compose a song specifically about Bilbo instead of just singing any old tune. Maybe like Gandalf, they sensed that the hobbit wasn't as prim and proper as he tried to be and just wanted to nudge him out of his shell a little.

Dwarves just nudge a little harder than most folk, as we all know.

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Katelyn Rushe is an independent author, illustrator, and filmmaker from Pennsylvania. A lifelong Tolkien fan, she is currently editing the first book in her own science fiction/fantasy series, which is due to be released later this year. Her current works are available on Amazon and Kindle, and her blog “What’s New With K. Ru.” can be found on www.blogger.comhttp://whatsnewwithkru.blogspot.com/



Otaku-sempai
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Jul 30 2015, 11:46am

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Perhaps the song already existed [In reply to] Can't Post

Some version of the song might have already existed before the Unexpected Party. The Dwarves might have only had to adapt it to fit the situation.

"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock


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Jul 30 2015, 6:31pm

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You mean something like "...happy birthday dear___[Bilbo]___ happy birthday to you"?

I dunno Sempai. Just to play Melkor's advocate here, I might question whether any Dwarves of any of the seven kingdoms would have a traditional song about silverware, glasses, corks, pantry floor, bedroom mat, etc Seems like it was meant for a gentlehobbit who lives in a comfortable Smial.

I had thought of Dwarves as more about finger-food, ripe-meat-off-the-bone types.

(Putting aside the likelihood or unlikelihood that they would have an existing song with an existing and well known choreographed routine, like how we have set moves for YMCA or the Macarena, but with team dishware juggling.)

(Now I kinda wish the YMCA or the Macarena came with a team dishware juggling routine.)

(That would make for quite the unexpected party.)

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Eru Ilvatar lived in a timeless state,
Then he created the Ainur to sing his magnum opus. Wait.
The one who had most power,
Melkor, sang his section sour,
Ilvatar got rather dour,
He sang E! (he let the Ainur in).
Melkor, in jealousy, he sought to mar the symphony
That all started with the first word. (BANG!)

https://youtu.be/lhTSfOZUNLo


Nomad
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Jul 30 2015, 10:23pm

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It is interesting how almost everyone in Middle Earth seemingly has incredible improvisational bard-ic gifts. [In reply to] Can't Post

All the hobbits are always making up or altering songs on the fly... then there is Aragorn and Legolas with Boromir's funeral song... the Gandalf mourning songs in Lothlorien... Middle Earth is a magical place where proper meter and rhyme are genetically encoded into the very biosphere itself (well, at least since the seas were bent... prior I guess it would be some sort of bioplatter).





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Jul 30 2015, 10:43pm

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Exactly! Just like Merry and Pippin! [In reply to] Can't Post

In LotR Merry and Pippin (I think) sing an adapted version of the Misty Mountain song, it's not hard to join in if someone starts improvising a parody, because the tune and many of the lyrics will be familiar.

...Unless it's one of Ruxendil_Thoorg's great parodies, then it takes multiple attempts to get it right Tongue


(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Jul 30 2015, 10:47pm)


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Jul 31 2015, 2:14am

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Hey there Q how's it going? Thanks for the shout-out. Smile

I'm not sure which Misty Mountain song by Merry and Pippin's you might be referring to, but it's quite true that there are a lot of songs that are sung, including songs that are, seemingly spontaneously, adapted from other songs, like the Road Goes Ever On (and On) variation in LOTR that seems to be adapted from the Road Goes Ever (Ever) On version that was in TH.

What, my parodies are that hard? Sly jk, i often have trouble remembering all the lyrics myself. CrazyLaugh

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Eru Ilvatar lived in a timeless state,
Then he created the Ainur to sing his magnum opus. Wait.
The one who had most power,
Melkor, sang his section sour,
Ilvatar got rather dour,
He sang E! (he let the Ainur in).
Melkor, in jealousy, he sought to mar the symphony
That all started with the first word. (BANG!)

https://youtu.be/lhTSfOZUNLo


L. Ron Halfelven
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Jul 31 2015, 2:27am

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They also claim to have written Katy Perry's 'Roar', so I'd be wary.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 




Arandiel
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Jul 31 2015, 4:02am

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That makes sense to me [In reply to] Can't Post

Regardless of their culinary habits at home, the Dwarves had spent a long time traveling, probably depending on the hospitality of other people they met as they searched for a new place to settle. I could imagine them learning about all sorts of food customs (and cutlery) along the way. And finding ways to poke fun at them. Wink


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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 31 2015, 12:03pm

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I dunno Sempai. Just to play Melkor's advocate here, I might question whether any Dwarves of any of the seven kingdoms would have a traditional song about silverware, glasses, corks, pantry floor, bedroom mat, etc Seems like it was meant for a gentlehobbit who lives in a comfortable Smial.




Sometimes Dwarves just wanna have fun! It might be a nonsense song that Dwarves learn in their youth and might just be adaptable. Either that, or Dwarves are just naturally good at improvisation.

"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock


Otaku-sempai
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Jul 31 2015, 12:07pm

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The Misty Mountain song? [In reply to] Can't Post


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In LotR Merry and Pippin (I think) sing an adapted version of the Misty Mountain song, it's not hard to join in if someone starts improvising a parody, because the tune and many of the lyrics will be familiar.




I remember Merry & Pippin singing "The Man in the Moon Stayed Up Too Late" but not any version of the "Misty Mountain" song.

"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock


QuackingTroll
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Jul 31 2015, 3:36pm

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In chapter: A Conspiracy Unmasked [In reply to] Can't Post

Fellowship of the Ring:

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Merry and Pippin began a song, which they had apparently got ready for the occasion. [so NOT improvised] It was made on the model of the dwarf-song that started Bilbo on his adventure long ago, and went to the same tune:

Farewell we call to hearth and hall!
Though wind may blow and rain may fall,
We must away ere break of day
Far over the wood and mountain tall....

etc.


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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 31 2015, 7:12pm

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Okay, thanks. [In reply to] Can't Post

And apologizes for doubting you. I never caught that.

"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock


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Aug 3 2015, 10:53pm

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One thing I did notice [In reply to] Can't Post

Watching the DVD of AUJ was that after the singing of the man in the moon song, nice to see it back in btw, was that fairly shortly after, the Goblins in the Misty Mountains, also sang a song and it did to me sound similair to the man in the moon tune. Which does go to show that despite them been common enemies and everything, the Dwarves and Goblins did have a bit in common, they both liked singing! Strange, that.


shadowdog
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Aug 5 2015, 8:43pm

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Since the dwarves had never met Bilbo and knew nothing about Hobbits prior to arriving at his doorstep, I can't imagine then having prewritten a song to tease him.


Otaku-sempai
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Aug 5 2015, 9:15pm

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Since the dwarves had never met Bilbo and knew nothing about Hobbits prior to arriving at his doorstep, I can't imagine then having prewritten a song to tease him.




The presumption is that the original song would have been more generic and the Dwarves would have customized it to apply to Bilbo. Doesn't seem any less likely than it being completely improvised.

"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock

 
 

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