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tattooed_dwarf
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Jul 27 2015, 7:28pm
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How do you know it's from EE?
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NoelGallagher
Rohan
Jul 27 2015, 7:32pm
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youve made the EE videos on youtube
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But youre only guessing, right?!
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Thrain II
Lorien
Jul 27 2015, 7:53pm
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Where did you find this image? It really looks like they filmed this scene, but I am not sure it will be used in the movie. I think it was part of DOS at one time, but they probably abandoned that concept.
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Smaug the iron
Gondor
Jul 27 2015, 8:12pm
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I realy hope this is in BOTFA EE.
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Thrain II
Lorien
Jul 27 2015, 8:19pm
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it doesn't make any sense to me. Why would Beorn be imprisoned and tortured in BOFA again? Last time we saw him in DOS at his house, where he already told that story (about the torture) to the company. I think that was supposed to be when Radagast first entered Dol Guldur in AUJ, or in flashback at his house in DOS.
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Eruonen
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Jul 27 2015, 8:59pm
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My thoughts too....it would reference the wrist shackles he has when hosting the company.
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Glorfindela
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Jul 27 2015, 10:44pm
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I'd much rather see more of Beorn in his house (perhaps Bilbo could visit him with Gandalf on the way back, again), and experience character building and interesting dialogue when it comes to him.
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lurtz2010
Rohan
Jul 28 2015, 1:16am
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When Galadriel yells "Go" to Radagast with white eyes she is suddenly unconscious in the next shot so maybe the sled chase is shown after that, possibly intercut with the WitchKing battle before Sauron jumps in? I always wondered how they got around DolGuldur so easily on that sled.
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lurtz2010
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Jul 28 2015, 1:40am
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Or maybe Beorn just decided to go investigate DG himself and got captured
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Or was ambushed and taken there at some point after the company left his house.
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boldog
Rohan
Jul 28 2015, 8:29am
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What if Beorn is captured after he helps the company
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maybe the orcs find out about this and try to extract as much information as they can from him as to what they intend.
Azog and Bolg. That is all I can say.............
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NoelGallagher
Rohan
Jul 28 2015, 10:10am
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I still go for my idea that Beorn tells about it during the Rhosgobel scene,maybe before the staff handing,as a flashback. Before,they find and rescue him during their DG escape. Personally,their must be a reason those pictures popped out of nowhere. Probably a first hint for the EE....
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AshNazg
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Jul 28 2015, 11:38am
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The original scene was intended as two flashbacks - one in AUJ of Beorn being freed by Radagast, and one in DoS of Beorn being tortured by Bolg. That much I can confirm from official sources. It's my belief that these scenes were cut so that Bolg could become Legolas' enemy, rather than Beorn's. But regardless of the original intention it's possible, with a few pick-up shoots, that the scene has been moved to BoFA. But it can't involve Bolg anymore, so how it's going to be relevant to the story is anyone's guess. There is apparently a shot in the EE where Beorn takes on an ogre during the battle. This fight seems to be the original Beorn v Bolg fight, with Bolg replaced by an ogre, so maybe we'll see this same ogre torturing Beorn during the flashback, so he can get his revenge in the battle?
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NoelGallagher
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Jul 28 2015, 11:51am
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Imho the whole Beorn-Dol Guldur-Bolg plot would have been so much better thsn this Legolas sh**. Sorry,but thats totally out of order and doesnt support the story,in no way.
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Thrain II
Lorien
Jul 28 2015, 11:53am
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that Beorn would be captured and tortured twice. As AshNazg said I don't see why would it be relevant since they cleverly decided to give Beorns role to Legolas.
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NoelGallagher
Rohan
Jul 28 2015, 12:00pm
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As the DG inclusion for BotfA. Like Thrain was in DoS. Probably two or three minutes more of the elven ring story combined with five minutes or so for Beorn there. Thats it for Dol Guldur.
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Shagrat
Gondor
Jul 28 2015, 12:47pm
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I can well believe this, as it makes sense from a storytelling POV for several reasons: 1) It introduces Beorn early, and sets up his debt and friendship to Radagast. I'm getting in sense that part of his motivation for coming to the Five Armies was not just revenge, but as a favour Radagast. You'll recall that BTS footage which shows Gandalf telling Radagast to 'go after him' or something to that effect, suggesting only Radagast could really persuade Beorn to get involved. 2) We wouldn't find out what happened to Beorn there until a flashback in film 2, which would make sense given that it is only now when we are introduced to Bolg (when he was supposed to be at Dol Guldur rather than Azog), and it sets up their beef for film 3 3) It is much more believable than Beorn being captured twice Another thing that adds weight to this is that, from the extended track 'Radagast the Brown', we know that there was some version of the film where Radagast went straight to Dol Guldur from Rhosgobel, and that the entire sequence must have played out in one go. Rather than recalling this episode to Gandalf in the later flashback at the Trollshaws, it would have worked much better playing out in the current, with Radagast finding this mysterious character and helping him before going on with his exploration of Dol Guldur. This way there could be some dialogue between the pair. Of course, it would have also given additional weight to Radagast. I find it hard to believe that PJ would have sacrificed Beorn's arc at the expense of giving Legolas a bigger role I have to say - I suspect other forces might have been at work there.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 28 2015, 1:11pm
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What if Beorn is captured after he helps the company maybe the orcs find out about this and try to extract as much information as they can from him as to what they intend. If that happened then it should have been covered in TH:DoS. It doesn't fit the structure of the films to have Beorn captured and tortured in Dol Guldur after Gandalf frees Thrain and is himself caught. And it is repetitive; we have already had Thrain and Gandalf imprisoned in Dol Guldur by this time. No, the only time it might work to have Beorn in Dol Guldur (other than as part of the rescue of Gandalf) is as a flashback to before the events of the the quest. And, frankly, that is something that should have been in the middle film.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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KingTurgon
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Jul 28 2015, 3:02pm
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"So Bolg could become Legolas's enemy, rather than Beorn's"
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Oh come on filmmakers. I would love to know their rationale for this. I don't get it at all.
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Thrain II
Lorien
Jul 28 2015, 3:28pm
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Probably to bring more people to the theatres
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because Legolas is well known and loved character from LOTR so they used that fact to give him (too) much more time in DOS and BOFA than originally was planned. At the end, it backfired badly with the fans.
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OldestDaughter
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Jul 28 2015, 3:28pm
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For Beorn in Dol Guldor. It was part of the Desolation of Smaug line.
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