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Ataahua
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Jul 26 2015, 8:44pm
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A question about Cornelius Fudge in the Harry Potter books
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I'm rereading the series and have just finished book four. At the end of the book - Cedric is dead, Harry is in the hospital ward, Dumbledore is trying to convince Fudge that Voldemort is back and Fudge doesn't believe that Harry is a reliable witness - Fudge says he's heard before of a curse scar causing problems.
Is this just a throw-away comment by Rowling, or is there a reference to this later in the series that I've missed? Does anyone know what Fudge is talking about?
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Kim
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Jul 26 2015, 11:16pm
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I don't remember any other mention of curse scar repercussions (or indeed, anyone else who had a curse scar). I always thought of this as Fudge blustering because he couldn't face the truth that Voldemort was back, and so just threw this out as a way to discount what Harry said.
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zarabia
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Jul 26 2015, 11:29pm
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Addressing Dumbledore, "...I've *never* heard of a curse scar acting as an alarm bell before."
So I took it that he was discounting the idea that there was a connection between Harry and Voldemort, that Harry was just looking for attention. But there are lots of little details I miss that I pick up on when I 're-read the books. So maybe there's something else going on here. 
You realize that life goes fast
It's hard to make the good things last
You realize the sun doesn't go down
It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning 'round
~Do You Realize?, The Flaming Lips
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Ataahua
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Jul 27 2015, 5:31am
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says, "You'll forgive me Dumbledore, but I've heard of a curse scar working as an alarm bell before..." (Just checked it - I shouldn't post about these things without the book open in front of me!)
Maybe something was mentioned in the first three books, that I glided over without picking up the reference.
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Ataahua
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Jul 27 2015, 5:33am
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I'm used to Rowling mentioning something in passing that becomes important later on, and for some reason this comment stood out to me. But I could well be reading more into it than she intended.
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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zarabia
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Jul 27 2015, 6:26am
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Ooh! A discrepancy between versions
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My copy says, "You'll forgive me Dumbledore, but I've *never* heard of a curse scar acting as an alarm bell before..."
However, mine is the dumbed down American version. ( They didn't change everything, but the publishers apparently thought Americans would be turned off by the very name "Philosopher's Stone", thinking it would be a boring book about old Greek guys  ) So maybe when they were going through changing some of the British-isms they got a little carried away and changed more than they should have. Or maybe it's just a typo. I have the first Scholastic trade paperback, September 2002. If anyone has a later version, maybe they can check if it was corrected. (Page 706 in my version)
I wonder how many other differences there are, intentional and otherwise.
You realize that life goes fast
It's hard to make the good things last
You realize the sun doesn't go down
It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning 'round
~Do You Realize?, The Flaming Lips
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Maciliel
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Jul 27 2015, 6:32am
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the original title was supposed to be "harry potter and kierkegaard's igneous rock."
i can see why that was changed.
cheers --
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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zarabia
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Jul 27 2015, 6:34am
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You realize that life goes fast
It's hard to make the good things last
You realize the sun doesn't go down
It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning 'round
~Do You Realize?, The Flaming Lips
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dormouse
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Jul 27 2015, 7:20am
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It's a mistake in the UK edition, Ataahua....
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Mine has the same as yours "I've heard of a curse scar working as an alarm bell before". But I've just checked out the HP Lexicon site and it says this was a mistake in the UK edition which was later corrected to "I've never heard of a curse scar working as an alarm bell before". Here's the page: http://www.hp-lexicon.org/.../differences-gf.html
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zarabia
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Jul 27 2015, 7:58am
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Thanks for posting this, dormouse!  I should have known that something like this existed, but I never got around to looking it up.
I understand some of the changes such as verb agreement with collective nouns and terms like pudding for dessert, but other changes seem pretty arbitrary. I'm just glad they left some of the original British English as is. For many Americans, for me anyway, that's part of the charm of the HP books.
You realize that life goes fast
It's hard to make the good things last
You realize the sun doesn't go down
It's just an illusion caused by the world spinning 'round
~Do You Realize?, The Flaming Lips
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Ataahua
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Jul 27 2015, 10:10am
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*shakes fist at fumble-fingered editor*
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Or maybe I should be shaking it at Rowling?
Thanks for the answer! One missing word makes such a difference.
Some of those UK-to-US changes seem a bit random, such as the use of 'curse'. I had wondered if the US editions had changed the spelling of 'Mum', but I guess the English spelling was kept?
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Dame Ioreth
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Jul 27 2015, 12:55pm
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I wonder who they were "dumbing" it down for...
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Most of the folks I know that read it (some all of 8 years old) would have figured out that "pudding" meant dessert.
I guess it shows the power of the American market. We're fine for marketing a product (thank you Scholastic and Warner Brothers) and buying it too; definitely the buying part. JKR will even change words here and there for those who lack the ability to read anything too foreign, to make sure of optimal sales. Just don't put us in front of the camera. We must really be "ugly Americans".
*sigh* Too bad the Brits (and Scholastic) didn't realize there were so many of us who really do get it...
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Donry
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Jul 27 2015, 9:26pm
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I may have to jump into those books again, just to examine a few things....thank you very much! My work will suffer, but hey, they make enough money already.
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