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Eruonen
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Jul 19 2015, 2:08am
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Even though Saruman's death was changed for the movie,
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I still wish we had the scene of his spirit rising, looking to the West and then a wind comes and blows it away..It would have been more fitting for an Istari as the movie audience is led to believe he died with his physical body.
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Harold.of.Whoa
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Jul 20 2015, 4:09am
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I agree. It's a very eerie and powerful moment from the book and the kind of thing that would likely translate well to film. Weta could have killed it, I think, as long as there was no green glow involved. I think it would have given a great deal more...um, impact to the death scene, which is perhaps lacking in the EE version we have.
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the 13th warrior
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Jul 21 2015, 8:43pm
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Lack of Saruman was shocking.....
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Hello Eruonen, great idea on the spirit rising. Was a powerful book moment, especially with the compassion of Frodo towards the once great wizard, who appreciates and hates Frodo's gesture at the same time. No reason they couldn't have had him drop and perhaps land somewhere other than the spikey wheel and have the ghostly essence rise up. Still can't believe and I totally understand the anger of the late Christopher Lee at being left out of the theatrical edition. The whole sequence of Theoden and Gandalf confronting Saruman takes what, 7-10 mins??? Like they couldn't have trimmed out that length from the battles that went on forever, or started the picture with it and shoved how Gollum became Gollum somewhere else. Really a strange, absurd decision. PJ did more things right than wrong, but this was a poor choice. Thank goodness for the Extended dvd's!! The 13th Warrior, thanks, regards, "From the scroll rooms of Gondor....."
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Eruonen
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Jul 22 2015, 9:56pm
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It seems like they wanted Treebeards punchline to end the scene....
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where he says the filth of Isengard is being washed away or something like that. It would have been great for the EE to show that specter arise and dissipate. It would have wrapped up his fate for the audience and have shown his immortal state as a wisp of darkness.
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the 13th warrior
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Jul 25 2015, 9:56pm
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Hello Eruonen, anything would have helped. Instead, Saruman and Grima, seen panicking at end of TTT, simply vanish. It's a movie and story continuity gap as big as the Grand Canyon. Would have settled for Grima being abused by Saruman after the big defeat, knifing him to death, then drowning trying to get away, or crushed by Ent, something, anything. Still feel that the entire extended dvd scene could have been in theatrical ROTK intact, with cuts made to battles, trim Aragorn and King of the Dead a bit, speed up death of Sauron and Mordor falling apart/Sam and Frodo and eagle rescue. A little cutting here and there and the Company vs. Saruman would have played out just fine. The 13th Warrior, Left Field Caliphate, "From the scroll rooms of Gondor...."
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Eruonen
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Jul 27 2015, 10:51pm
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Though I understand why The Scouring of the Shire was not included, it would
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have been a nice chapter to see filmed.
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the 13th warrior
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Jul 28 2015, 8:34am
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Tough call on the Scouring....
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Hello Eruonen, IMHO Scouring totally works in the books. Shows Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin have grown into heroes and literal knights of the realm, and Gandalf hints there will be work to do in shire, that he won't help them this time. So they end up defeating the last ditch effort of Saruman to ruin their homeland by themselves. In the movies, I give PJ credit for a nice transition with map back to a tranquil shire that didn't even know there was a War of the Ring. Great pub scene, the 4 heroes looking drained, thoughtful, bittersweet, the adventure is over, shire life renewed. Again it gets into length and cutting stuff elsewhere to fit in a shortened Scouring segment. Not sure how PJ would find time to weave in the hobbits, organizing, rebelling vs. Saruman. Plus the wizard taking control in the first place would be time consuming too. A compromise would have been to have the 4 heroes confront Saruman and Grima and a orc henchman or two on the road, as in the books, when the travelling party of Galadriel, Gandalf, hobbits encountered Saruman and Grima in the wilderness. Some final spiteful talk from Saruman and then his death, at hands of Grima, or struck down by Sam? In books, Saruman took a stab at Frodo on the way out, and Frodo gave him the final absolution that the wizard hated. In movies maybe Sam could defend his master a final time. That would be good drama. The 13th Warrior, Left Field Caliphate, "From the scroll rooms of Gondor...."
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