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Bombadil
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Jul 10 2015, 1:17am
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Here is an Exercise you ALL might want to DO?
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called "How to Understand PJ"
it simple, watch again with
ALL of the Commentaries for each Film.
Since Bom has watched each @ different times,
" An Account beyond Measure"
it's really fun to sit with PJ & PB in the room with you..
YOU can't help & love their thinking..& humor..
Bom is doing his own Hobbit Marathon Now that way..
YOUR famly might want to watch it with you..
since you can always Pause & discuss any of it
in a Round Table Forum
with your kids?
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"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
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Bombadil
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Jul 10 2015, 9:18am
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NoelG is right, people might want to
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STOP second-guessing PJ & PB & give it a try, to get to know them?
There is an Expression that applies here:
"Just because you don't understand something
Doesn't mean you need to reject it..?"
It's been Boms experience often here that people reject parts
of the these films without taking the time to try to understand
the thinking that went into it?
It's as if people decide, they
KNOW what these movies
SHOULD be,..YET?
Creative adaptions aren't necessarily the Embellishments
ALL people can agree on..so they take the easiest way out?
Reject it ...
Now that people have Lived with his version of the LOTR
for years..it's settled into the fabric of Mass culture, BUT
we are still getting "used to" the the NEW & Current Trilogy.
Observations from their point-of-view.. could be helpful.
bom is NOT implying anything more..
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Elarie
Grey Havens
Jul 10 2015, 12:03pm
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I enjoy watching the appendices but I tend to forget about the commentaries and I think the only one I've watched with commentary is AUJ, once, when it first came out on disk. Thanks Bomby, now I have something new to pass the time until BOTFA EE comes out!  
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Gold is the strife of kinsmen,
and fire of the flood-tide,
and the path of the serpent.
(Old Icelandic Fe rune poem)
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Merovech
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Jul 10 2015, 6:01pm
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This applies: Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean you don't understand it.
I think it's a bit of a cop-out to assume criticism on these films stems from a lack of understanding the intricate subtleties ( ) of just what the filmmaker was going for (according to you).
There's plenty of things in these films that I dislike (I was disappointed with the trilogy in general), but I think I know why they were done. Most of the time, though, my assumed reasons behind the bad decision just make it worse. I don't think that thinking about it more will fix that, unless I get into the whole mental gymnastics thing, where I might attempt to justify the things I disliked by divining some great reason for a bad decision so I can tell myself it wasn't as bad as I thought it was.
Of course, unless stated in a direct quote from the production team, all reasons and 'thinking that went into it' is conjecture. Just because one side's conjecture projects a positive approach doesn't make it any more truthful.
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Bombadil
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Jul 10 2015, 6:30pm
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Not sure if there is ANY other director & writer
that has truly taken the time to help teach
Film-making as much as PJ has...
ANYWHERE?
Bom's College degree is Radio, TV, Film
{Film emphasis..1972} & shot film for TV News
before it went to video tape?
Industry types have learned so much from his
Behind-The-Scenes explanations since 2001..?
AND his
World-Class crew are Still teaching co-workers
on the Films, they are involved with
all over the World..
Years ago, ol' Bom used to get "American Cinematographer"
magazine, NOW on-line..
There were constant articles like
"What lessons did we learn from The Two Towers?",
or "WHAT is New from New ZEALAND"
Bom is no way is "Lecturing" anyone..just trying to
HELP all our friends to enjoy these films in a way
that might have been forgotten?
About...{See post below from Elarie?}
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"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
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lionoferebor
Rohan
Jul 10 2015, 7:15pm
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they are often one of the first things I watch when I get a new Blu-ray/DVD. I have watched the commentaries for AUJ and DOS multiple times, as well as the behind the scenes footage. Together or alone both are very informative and a great insight into the master mind of PJ.
However, while I understand and accept the reasoning behind PJ's decisions that doesn't necessarily mean I agree with every last decision that was made. That said for myself at least - and I think possibly a few others - it isn't that we don't understand PJ it's that in regards to certain aspects we disagree with him.
Does that make us negative people? On the contrary...it just means our opinions are different from PJ's and all those who agree with him.
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dormouse
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Jul 10 2015, 10:13pm
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Funny, I really don't like commentaries....
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I always listen to them once to hear what they say but I find it really frustrating - like having someone talking in the row in front when you want to concetrate on the film. I enjoy the documentaries and watch them through many times, but when I'm watching the film I don't want the distraction.
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Starling
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Jul 10 2015, 11:01pm
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and I never listen to them now. After several attempts I have realised they are just not for me. I find them completely distracting and very annoying. Like you, I liken the experience to sitting in a film with someone talking all the way through it.
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lionoferebor
Rohan
Jul 10 2015, 11:09pm
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You don't listen to commentaries to watch the film. You listen commentaries to get insight into the film. It's like another level of behind the scene footage. If you want to know how the actors learned their stunts then you watch the behind the scenes footage. If you want to see them actually perform those stunts then you watch the movie. Same with commentaries, if you want to know more about the directors thought process in making the film you listen to the commentaries. If you want to see the finished product of those thoughts then you watch the film without commentaries.
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dormouse
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Jul 11 2015, 8:19am
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But you are watching the film while the commentary track is playing....
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... and I can't watch the film without getting absorbed in the film. Then it's really frustrating to have the soundtrack faded out just to be told that this scene was an last minute addition and originally they were intending ..... and so on. Call it a testament to the quality of the film if you will (and if you won't, I will!) When it's playing in front of my eyes I want to lose myself in the story. If PJ were in the room in person I would ask him (very politely) to save his insights for the documentaries. Then I'd give him a nice big cup of tea to keep him quiet so's I could carry on watching the film! 
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Bombadil
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Jul 11 2015, 10:47am
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dmouse, dear..what the two, DO is fade themselves out?
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They allow the Dialogue to play many times
Then, take the point of a scene & embellish
it with their thoughts on technique, lighting,
the actors technique, the mechanics,...etc.
The one thing that does come across is
Their LOVE for the Books, & Do Apologize
directly to US? Fans...when they deviate from the TEXT!
Phillpa makes a statement.."Shorthand Story-Telling"
condescending much from the Book into
short, multiple meanings..
NEVER heard that one before?
GREAT..
Also, you all need to remember ol' bom
feels extremely Privileged to have lived
long enough
to witness,.. bom's Favorite Books
turned into bom's, Favorite Movies...
In the Case of BOT5A..49 years?
That was... aLooong Time...
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lionoferebor
Rohan
Jul 11 2015, 12:44pm
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not really. At least not for me. When I sit down to watch a film my intent is to...watch the film. Therefore my focus is on the action and dialogue on the screen, and in this senses the commentaries would be a distraction. However, when I'm listening the commentaries my focus is on what the filmmakers have to say about the various scenes, characters, etc...not the actual action or dialogue of the film.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, when you sit down to listen the commentaries it's a good idea to be the mindset of "I want to hear what the filmmakers have to say" otherwise the commentaries will be a distraction.
I guess what I'm trying to say - at least for myself - is you have to be in the right mind set to listen to commentaries.
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Elarie
Grey Havens
Jul 11 2015, 1:21pm
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I watched DOS with commentary yesterday (thanks to Bomby's reminder thread  ) and I had to almost tell myself out loud, "Quit thinking about the movie and listen to the commentary!" And I had to hit the rewind button several times because I started following the movie even without sound and thinking about it and then missed what they were saying. But when I was really listening, it was fun and interesting and a nice addition to the appendices, so I'm glad I did it. I just wish there were more people involved in the commentary. If I'm remembering correctly, the LOTR had some commentary by the four hobbits that I really enjoyed and it would be great to hear some of the Hobbit actors' thoughts as the movie was playing on screen.
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Gold is the strife of kinsmen,
and fire of the flood-tide,
and the path of the serpent.
(Old Icelandic Fe rune poem)
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dormouse
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Jul 11 2015, 6:06pm
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Oh, I feel privileged to have been around long enough to see these films...
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... just as you do. And I share your admiration for the work Peter Jackson and his team do, the imagination and care and craft that goes into the films. And I do want to hear what they say so I listen once....
But after that I'd rather enjoy the films every chance I have. If they want me to spend more time on the commentary they shouldn't make the films so compelling, should they!
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Michelle Johnston
Rohan
Jul 12 2015, 7:35am
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You know D.M. when I first read your post i was astonished that someone who defends the films hasn't a detailed understanding that the commentaries provide about the film makers preferences, perceptions and decisions which are unique to these commentaries.
However I then considered your remark more carefully and thought "hold on I love film!" I watch 3 or 4 a week, I have never listened to the commentaries or watched the extras on any of them it wouldn't cross my mind, it is what is on the screen that matters and how I receive it. Even with the LOTR films I only started watching the documentaries years later, I have never listened to the commentaries, it would not occur to me. If I want my annual pilgrimage its the films I watch.
So thank you for your thoughts, it helps put in perspective why I am absolutely fascinated to see what P & P have to say about BOFA and what they left out at a theatrical level as not being crucial to the general film going audience.
I think your post, like many of the best bits of communication, has unintended consequences and your witness that you sit down and get totally immersed in these films without hesitation is a great testament to your love for the films.
My views are polar opposite and your placement reminds me of something else, I am finding it hard to stop discussing the films. I need to exercise much more self discipline, and focus on all the other rich enjoyable experiences which work for me, in the same way these films do for you.
If I turn up again before I have taken in and digested the final extended edition call me out as "fail" and in the mean time I wish you many happy times re watching the films unencumbered !
My Dear Bilbo something is the matter with you! you are not the same hobbit that you were.
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dormouse
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Jul 12 2015, 7:51am
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And may you find as much pleasure in the films you can watch without commentaries as I do in these!
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Bombadil
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Jul 14 2015, 12:18am
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dmouse...Here is something to consider..?
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When ol' bom got the see the Third Film
last December, it was after the extended cuts
of the first TWO...a Marathon that had started @ 11 AM.
Well, PJ came on screen, to congratulate us in the Audience
as some of first people in the USA to see it...since this
was , I think 3 or 4 days BEFORE the General Release.
Bom was
BEAMING
BIGTIME...not just
Because of that fact...it was
Finally! after such a Long wait.... it was like
PJ was looking at Bomby right-in-the-eye, talking to this
tired old guy...Bom was finally getting his wish that
BECAME a goal that starting 48 years ago..
Bom got to feel SPECIAL!!!. & was in tears
since my personal Marathon-Long WAIT, was over.
Goldberry didn't last long enough to see it,
but it was OUR special Fantasy we had talked about
many times in the Hospital before his demise.
I got to see it for the both of us..
When PJ & Phil are in the room alone with me, @ home,
bom doesn't feel alone anymore, @ LEAST for the couple of
hours listening to these nice people, who do REALLY CARE
for the "BOOKLifers" like bomby..& you.
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