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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jul 7 2015, 3:24pm

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Noting however, that this Rumil had been published in The Lord of the Rings, while Legolas of Gondolin had not been published anywhere (from Tolkien's perspective, despite the Fall of Gondolin having been read aloud at least once), and so could easily be altered.


Yes. And it seems likely (or at least possible) that Tolkien would altered the name of the Gondolin Elf to Laiqalassë from the start.

"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Jul 7 2015, 7:35pm

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but still rather cumbersome! Wink He would possibly have come up with something simpler. Rather off-topic, but I have to admit I prefer the projected alternatives of "Talagand" for Salgant and "Tuilin" for Duilin (where Duilin was a name reused for a ranger of Morthond in LotR - the son of Duinhir and the brother of Derufin. ) Who knows what he would have come up with for Rog or Penlod, as well!




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Elthir
Grey Havens

Jul 8 2015, 10:02am

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Post Lord of the Rings (Words, Phrases, Passages) Tolkien appears to have updated Qenya Laiqalasse to Quenya Laicolasse. But still this is Quenya. While it's not impossible for a Gondolin Elf, I still think Sindarin would have been in mind here, for a name. Pure Sindarin Laegolas might have made a nice contrast to the Mirkwood character with his Silvan form of the name.

On the other hand in the original conception the Elf of Gondolin seems to have had two names (according to one note anyway), one meaning "Green leaf" the other "Keen sight" (Laigolas, Legolast), so maybe some new name in the Sindarin of the early 1950s or later, to keep this latter distinction? From the early Fall of Gondolin...

"... led by one Legolas Greenleaf of the House of the Tree, who knew all that plain by day or by dark, and was night-sighted,..." "... and Legolas was with them, whose eyes were like cats in the dark" "... where they had lain hidden even from the glance of Legolas" [Name-list to the Fall of Gondolin] "Legolas or Green-leaf was a man of the Tree, who led the Exiles over Tumladin in the dark, being night sighted..."

So there seems a notable emphasis on his great sight, and if Tolkien was to retain this characteristic, that among even the Elves of Gondolin this character was notably sharp-eyed, then maybe his new name would reflect this.

Pure speculation of course!


(This post was edited by Elthir on Jul 8 2015, 10:09am)

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