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Begather
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Jun 30 2015, 9:13am

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It would certainly have been a lot easier to achieve. But then, which single tone?


I do not agree with you that it would be easier to achieve.


dormouse
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Jun 30 2015, 2:56pm

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...a coherent film adaptation and without any consideration of audience expectations. Say, for example, they had stuck strictly to the book with all the whimsical, fairytale elements intact .... Or a complete reworking, taking the outlines of the story but casting it in a more serious mode without the lightness and whimsy. My thinking was that either of those would be easier because there would be no balance to strike (though either one would have alienated a section of the audience).

But I'm interested. What difficulties do you see in a single-toned adaptation?


Michelle Johnston
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Jun 30 2015, 6:09pm

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I think technically to take the spine of the book, the appendices and your own films and to offer a single tone would have been easy to do achieve.Tolkien provided most of the answers he gave backstory for key characters and reference points for all those whom are met on the journey. Most importantly they could have worked on the Hobbit knowing that over the winter of 1938/39 charged with writing a sequel the professor very quickly discarded and rejected the tone of the original and moved toward some thing much finer more grave more sombre like his great love "The History of The Gnomes" .

What it required was a single mindedness and courage to ignore the naysayers and fans with their wish lists based on a book written for Tolkiens very young family and just do it.

I do not doubt for one moment he could have done it because he showed he could. The central character of the book, the most demanding of all of the elements to re imagine retained all his bourgeois petty pretensions AND he handled the hindsight knowledge of the ring perfectly. He brought back the quintessential english tommy changed for ever and uncomfortable with his own kind, but a hero elsewhere, back with complete credibility.

If you can get that right and please all of the various needs of the audience I am certain with courage focus and a conviction about what your doing the rest of it could have been equally right.

Ironically the things tonally which were most wrong, outside of the troll incident, were his own inventions. I just wish P & F had been more assertive with him as they were over that ridiculous self cameo sequence in Lake Town which they shouted "cut" on.

The other question is what is tone how would you describe Scene 88, the Stone Giants, The Barrels, The Forges, JCB Trolls and the Legolas insertions - bread and circuses or to use a modern reference obligatory tent poll moments.

My Dear Bilbo something is the matter with you! you are not the same hobbit that you were.

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