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Barrow-Wight
Rohan
Jun 24 2015, 11:35pm
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What would have happened to Gollum?
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What would have happened to Gollum if the Ring had been destroyed and he still lived? I think about this every time I get to that point in the book. would he have felt free? turned good? remembered his past life? or would he have gotten angry and try to kill Frodo & Sam?
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squire
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Jun 25 2015, 12:27am
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Tolkien's answer was grimmer than any of those ideas
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On the road up Mount Doom, remember, Sam threatens to kill Gollum who has just attacked Frodo. Gollum pleads for, essentially, just a little more time to live, for he knows now what Frodo's mission is: ‘Don’t kill us,’ he wept. ‘Don’t hurt us with nassty cruel steel! Let us live, yes, live just a little longer. Lost lost! We’re lost. And when Precious goes we’ll die, yes, die into the dust.’ He clawed up the ashes of the path with his long fleshless fingers. ‘Dusst!’ he hissed. -- LotR VI.3 As I read this, the idea is that Gollum's life has been prolonged ("stretched") long past his allotted span. He is something like over 500 years old. When the One is destroyed, this passage implies that he will basically become his true mortal age and, of course, die immediately thereby.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jun 25 2015, 3:22pm
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Sméagol doesn't seem to have been very good even before he murdered poor Déagol for the Ring. And even if Gollum wasn't immediately reduced to dust with the destruction of the Ring, I don't think that he would have lived long.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Meneldor
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Jun 25 2015, 5:59pm
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Remember Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
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when he was trying to pick the real grail and chose... poorly? It's not pretty when you age centuries in seconds.
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters, these see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep. -Psalm 107
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Barrow-Wight
Rohan
Jun 25 2015, 10:17pm
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I guess we are all in agreement then lol!
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Bracegirdle
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Jun 26 2015, 1:13pm
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Ashes to ashes, dust to dust .
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Smeagol was a spoiled brat from the beginning. Must have been in his DNA… Or his Gramma never took the switch to his rump. Spare the rod, spoil the Hobbit. (Oh, yes! Back in the day Hobbit elders DID use corporal punishment.) Think he would have lived a long life anyway as a drug dealer and professional whiner. “Give us that my preciousss! We wants it!”
Boromir looked in surprise at Bilbo, but the laughter died on his lips when he saw that all the others regarded the old hobbit with grave respect. Only Glóin smiled, but his smile came from old memories. -JRR Tolkien
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