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Kilidoescartwheels
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Jun 16 2015, 1:41am
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A question - how did Thranduil know about Bilbo?
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So I was home sick today, and since daytime TV sucks I re-watched BOT5A again. And I have this question: HOW did Thranduil know about Bilbo? He says, "If I'm not mistaken, this is the halfling that stole the keys to my dungeon...." But HOW did he know that? Bilbo wore the ring to get inside Mirkwood, the Orc he questioned didn't say anything about a halfling, and even if Bard mentioned Bilbo how would he know that Bilbo stole the keys? I don't recall anything in DOS that would have given either Bard or Thranduil the idea that Bilbo snuck in and stole the keys. I guess Thranduil could "assume" this, but it also seems like quite a stretch. What does anyone else think?
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Hobbity Hobbit
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Jun 16 2015, 1:45am
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They saw him fall over, and that was why they went outside. They would have also saw him on the barrels, but I think it's more likely that they saw him fall over.
Also, I wouldn't say him assuming it would be a stretch. They captured 13 dwarves, but after finding out a hobbit was with them (from Bard telling him) and helping them, it would be likely to assume it was him.
"As the snowflakes cover my fallen brothers,
I will say this last goodbye."
(This post was edited by Hobbity Hobbit on Jun 16 2015, 1:49am)
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Jun 16 2015, 3:18am
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Do you mean the trap door in the cellar?
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I'll have to re-watch that scene again (thanks for giving me an excuse! ). I know that Tauriel saw the door close, but I didn't think she saw Bilbo. I suppose it's possible that some of the elves noticed a Hobbit mixed in with 13 dwarves during all that chaos, but that still seems like a stretch to me. That means that somehow Tauriel & Legolas missed a Hobbit? That the Halfling snuck into the Woodland realm under Legolas' nose? Of course, WE know how he managed to do that, but nobody else does - somebody's got some explaining to do
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Bishop
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Jun 16 2015, 4:09am
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Kili told Tauriel, Tauriel told Bard, and Bard told Thranduil.
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dormouse
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Jun 16 2015, 7:01am
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All the reasons given above.... and.....
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...then there's Gandalf. The King had thirteen dwarves safely locked up and someone stole the keys. He also sensed that someone was moving around his palace - in that scene beween Thranduil and Tauriel he quite clearly reacts when Bilbo moves. Gandalf could have told him immediately who the 'someone' was (and it would have interested Gandalf to know that Bilbo could be invisible when it suited - this might be the first he heard about it).
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Elarie
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Jun 16 2015, 11:18am
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LOL! It's like a game of 'Telephone'
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Kili tells Tauriel they have a hobbit; Tauriel tells Bard that Kili thinks he's a hottie; Bard tells Thranduil that the dwarves have the hots for Tauriel; Thranduil declares war.
It all makes perfect sense now. 
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Jun 16 2015, 7:23pm
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Thranduil felt some invisible presence, hobbits are known to be silent and the keys were stolen, of course not by elves.
When Bilbo shows up coming from among the dwarves, how could it give another conclusion ?
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Avandel
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Jun 16 2015, 9:17pm
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Wait a minute, I'm confused....
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Kili tells Tauriel they have a hobbit; Tauriel tells Bard that Kili thinks he's a hottie; Bard tells Thranduil that the dwarves have the hots for Tauriel; Thranduil declares war.
So when Kili is telling Tauriel about the firemoon, that's when the stalker-Legolas thinks he overhears that Kili thinks Bard is a hottie - but then Kili never met Bard, so it must have been Kili telling Tauriel that he thinks "Leggie is a hottie" and oh, btw, has anyone seen Thorin's hobbit?, and Legolas has that pensive look on his face at the river with Tauriel, because Legolas is having an *oh, marshmallows, moment* e.g.:
"I already told my Dad that the dwarves think I am a hottie and Dad is REALLY unhappy, and btw if we could catch Thorin's hobbit that I saw in the river with my elf-eyes..." (tho I can't think that Thorin was THAT worried about this hobbit, as the little guy didn't even get his own barrel....)
"- anyway, we could trade this creature for the white gems, but Dad is kind of on the warpath right now, because it's kind of a disgrace that the SECOND dwarf prince think I am a hottie, and not the FIRST dwarf prince or even Thorin, "who does that dwarf king think he is, that I, Prince of Mirkwood, am not worthy???? - tho he did save my life, so there is always hope.."
And then Thranduil goes on the warpath over this dwarf insult (note when Thranduil comments on "the heirlooms of my people are not lightly forsaken" that that line was edited from "the heirlooms of my people are not lightly forsaken, nor the beauty and nobility of the Prince of Mirkwood and who does this shortstuff smelly dwarf king think he is, just because some clueless fangirls go for the bedhead, textured hair and leather look - huh"
And then Bard allies with Thranduil, because Thranduil brought more food after Bilbo ate up everything in Laketown with second breakfasts and teas and of course the dwarves are big believers in big meals, and Bard hasn't stopped complaining about Bilbo's appetite the whole time, so by the time Bilbo shows up Thranduil and Bard keep looking at him, because they can't believe Bilbo isn't as big as a mūmak as much as he eats.
Meanwhile, Tauriel, not being stupid, saves Kili's life in order to impress Fili, because she understandably thinks Fili is a hottie.
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Jun 16 2015, 9:40pm
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When Gandalf and Thranduil met, I'm sure they would have had a conversation about the dwarves - and Gandalf would have wanted to know how his burglar was doing (and that he was still with the company). I'm sure his name came up and two and two were put together.
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Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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Elarie
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Jun 16 2015, 10:49pm
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Yes! Thanks for clearing that up 
And obviously PJ is saving it all for the EE.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Jun 17 2015, 12:34am
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Kili tells Tauriel they have a hobbit; Tauriel tells Bard that Kili thinks he's a hottie; Bard tells Thranduil that the dwarves have the hots for Tauriel; Thranduil declares war. It all makes perfect sense now.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Jun 17 2015, 1:13am
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Just wait for the next showdown: Thranduil v. Thorin, Part II - Who's the hottest one of all!
Obviously it's the one that can melt the most snow from smouldering!
But Thranduil will have his revenge:
He believes that will make him the sweetest - not sure it works that way.
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Avandel
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Jun 17 2015, 3:57pm
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*snigger* I ate all of your candy
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Thranduil: I ate all of your candy.....*snigger*
Thorin: *&^%$#!!!
Thranduil: It was delicious *smirk*
Thorin: Yeah? And Bifur took down your moose - mmmmhhhh THAT was delicious barbecued with some 'slaw and biscuits - I'm using the antlers for a hat stand...waste not, want not!
Thranduil: You *&^%$$ smelly ***&^% flea-infested ^&%$#!!!!!
Thorin: Hey, they don't call me the Tooth Fairy for being *vegetarian*!
Thranduil: I hate you! You will stay here and rot in my dungeon for 100 years!
Thorin: I hate you back and anyway my hobbit already stole the keys right under your "elf-eyes" - maybe you were too busy tripping over your dress to notice....
Thranduil: Huh. YOUR HOBBIT is gonna give me the most *precious* jewel in your realm - I'm thinking of making a brooch out of it - AND you lost your sword...
Thorin: Big deal, I have LOTS of swords. And the best hair in Middle Earth. AND a whole chest of white gems, that I'm thinking of pounding into glitter powder for a Christmas in July party....
*The azure and sapphire eyes of the two kings blazed into each other's; the sifting light danced across silken strands of moonlight and ebony locks; fangirls around the world gasped at the sight of so much mythic pulchritude in high resolution IMAX and silently sent a thousand thanks to Sir Peter Jackson as they frantically fanned the air...*
Thranduil: Er, you wanna go get some drinks?
Thorin: Well, yah know, I'm not really dressed to go out...
Thranduil: We could do an antipasto and wine on the patio - the view is quite nice, you can look at your mountain...
Thorin: That sounds great...and maybe you can share some hair care tips, my coiling nightshade riverine tumbling locks have taken a beating - don't wanna get my fangirls upset....
Thranduil: It's a great look tho - tres chic. And um, you didn't really shoot my moosey?
Thorin: Nah, I was just messin' with you. Your moose is adorable, especially since he's fallen in love with Dwalin - follows him everywhere, braying and trying to eat his clothes. National Geographic is filming a documentary - the guys think it's hysterical.
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Avandel
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Jun 18 2015, 1:49am
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So many are GUILTY.....
I bet Thorin's hair smells like cinnamon and brandy and vanilla and spices and wood fires and autumn leaves and north winds ..."wrath and ruin" my foot. Thranduil just wanted to know how some *grubby dwarf* could still smell like cookies baking , even after weeks in the woods.....
There can be ONLY ONE:
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Kim
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Jun 19 2015, 1:56am
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If only they'd offered you a place on the writing team from the beginning. 
Thranduil: We could do an antipasto and wine on the patio - the view is quite nice, you can look at your mountain...
Thorin: That sounds great...and maybe you can share some hair care tips, my coiling nightshade riverine tumbling locks have taken a beating - don't wanna get my fangirls upset....
Thranduil: It's a great look tho - tres chic. And um, you didn't really shoot my moosey?
Thorin: Nah, I was just messin' with you. Your moose is adorable, especially since he's fallen in love with Dwalin - follows him everywhere, braying and trying to eat his clothes. National Geographic is filming a documentary - the guys think it's hysterical.
Perfection.
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Hobbity Hobbit
Lorien
Jun 19 2015, 2:28am
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Well, I guess one of his allies would tell him.
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"As the snowflakes cover my fallen brothers,
I will say this last goodbye."
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Elarie
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Jun 19 2015, 12:12pm
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Every time Thorin hugs Bilbo at the end of AUJ I have a guilty fangirl moment of wondering if Thorin's hair smells like shampoo. I think it's time for someone to track down Martin Freeman and get the final word on that from the one who knows. 
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Elarie
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Jun 19 2015, 12:14pm
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Can't stop laughing - thank you for the perfect Friday morning humor!
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Avandel
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Jun 19 2015, 6:18pm
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Elarie
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Jun 19 2015, 9:33pm
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Drat it all, Avandel! I had just managed to stop thinking about Thorin's hair for a couple of hours and now....
Sigh...do you think he uses strawberry shampoo? Or maybe coconut with a hint of honey? Oh dear, if it's an ocean breeze scent it's game over - someone please just catch me when my knees buckle...
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Avandel
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Jun 20 2015, 2:00am
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Whoah! You managed a COUPLE of HOURS??????!!!!! OMG!!!!
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Sigh...do you think he uses strawberry shampoo? Or maybe coconut with a hint of honey? Oh dear, if it's an ocean breeze scent it's game over - someone please just catch me when my knees buckle...
Oh, definitely not anything FRUITY - no sirreee....after all, our Thorin makes those little boys in the aftershave commercials look like, well, little boys....
*THUD*
I think his hair smells like wood smoke and crisp star-smeared nights and like rain and spices and leather and the storm wind......
Unforgettable, that's what you are.
Unforgettable, though near or far......
Like a song of love that clings to me,
How the thought of you does things to me,
Never before has someone been more.
Unforgettable, in every way.
And forever more.
Never before has someone been more.
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Elarie
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Jun 20 2015, 11:30am
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LOL - You did it again Avandel. That's two mornings in a row that I sat down, flipped open the computer and choked on my tea, laughing at your brilliant commentary while gasping at the gloriousness that is Thorin.
And I think you've totally nailed it - wood smoke - definitely wood smoke. Now I'm going straight to the store and getting some nice smokey Lapsang Souchong tea to drink while I listen to the Misty Mountains song.
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Avandel
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Jun 20 2015, 6:05pm
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*bows deeply to a MASTER of her CRAFT*
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Thank you! What a nice compliment from one who is so INSIGHTFUL re Thorin's journal which has been carefully preserved.....
*Grins* today I think Thorin's hair smells like the chai tea I am drinking + violets, with a faint but oddly seductive tang of bitter orange and FIRE....
The thing is - the thing is - once one starts looking at Thorin pictures, you just can't stop. It's like potato chips or jelly beans or eating peanuts - and all of a sudden, there's an empty bag and you feel oddly content....
It's also very ZEN - one could spend hours in MEDITATION, just tracing the silky gently waving path of a few soft coiling darkling GOSSAMER strands - like trying to contemplate the universe on a starry night, Thorin's entire mane is just TOO GREAT a THING for mere mortals to assimilate....
BTW - what was this post about, again??? - I am so lost.....
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