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Why bard tried to kill Smaug?

DainPig
Gondor


Jun 4 2015, 8:33pm

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If he knew the only way to kill the dragon would using the black arrow (was with his son), so why he tried to kill the beast?


Pandallo
Rivendell

Jun 4 2015, 8:36pm

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Call for desperate measures. He was continuing to strike Smaug in his exposed scale, but it had no effect. He may have thought that the exposed skin underneath the lost scale was all he would need. He was wrong.


AshNazg
Gondor


Jun 4 2015, 8:46pm

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Only the black arrow could have pierced Smaug's scales, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but according to the story Galion had already loosened the scale, so Bard was trying to aim for the weak spot with regular arrows.

I think/hope we might get a quick shot in the EE, after the Windlance is destroyed, Bard sees the thrush. The thrush flies close to the dragon, drawing Bard's attention to the missing scale and then Bard looks for a high place where he can get a clear shot. Smile I think that would be a nice touch.


(This post was edited by AshNazg on Jun 4 2015, 8:46pm)


dormouse
Half-elven


Jun 4 2015, 10:07pm

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While Smaug was alive the people of Laketown stood no chance - he would have killed them all in the end, on the Lake or on the shore. So Bard had to try, however hopeless it might have been. He hadn't got the Black Arrow, he didn't know where it was, so he had to use what the weapons he had. That's what brave people do when that much is at stake. Even without hope you still have to try.


AshNazg
Gondor


Jun 4 2015, 10:20pm

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DainPig
Gondor


Jun 4 2015, 11:46pm

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Why didn't he run? [In reply to] Can't Post

 

How aaaaaaaaaaaaaare you all???


AshNazg
Gondor


Jun 5 2015, 12:02am

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As Girion's ancestor, he felt it was his duty... [In reply to] Can't Post

There was really nowhere to run, Smaug would have killed them before they got away, he's too powerful a force. So Bard sees it as his duty to succeed where his ancestor failed and try kill the dragon by any means.

He knows that the Windlance is the only way, but (in the EE) that gets destroyed, so he thinks "well, Girion already loosened a scale, so maybe if I hit him in the right spot it'll finish him off" it was better than doing nothing.

The only problematic and unheroic action is the way he apparently ignores his children's safety, prioritising Smaug over his kids. I'm not sure how to feel about that, but I guess in that moment you have to think fast and threat no. 1 was the dragon, so it's hard to think about anything else.


arithmancer
Grey Havens


Jun 5 2015, 2:00am

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...he says the children were supposed to leave. They had a boat with which to do it, which I think both Bain and Sigrid probably know how to use well.



dormouse
Half-elven


Jun 5 2015, 12:32pm

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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jun 5 2015, 3:16pm

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Bard had to give his family (and the other fleeing residents) as much of a chance for survival as possible. Even if he couldn't kill the dragon, his efforts might have allowed others to escape.

"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock


Adrianna
Lorien


Jun 6 2015, 11:02am

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Knew those arrows were not going to do anything. He really didn't have anytime to go looking for black arrow so he grabbed what he could. But I would agree desperate times make you want to do something to help alleviate the matter.

That last arrow he did was to get Smaug's attention and it worked. What Smaug didn't realize that there was one more Black arrow left that could have killed him. Smaug got to overconfident and it cost him.

"I did free him. I freed his wretched head from his miserable shoulders."

 
 

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