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DainPig
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Jun 1 2015, 11:07pm
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Why Peter Jackson omitted Thorin's Funeral?
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Don't show Dain's coronation I agree, because he appeared for a short time and was not very developed. But omit Thorin's Funeral? KING'S FUNERAL?
Why Peter Jackson? Five minutes don't consume a lot of time!!
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Mooseboy018
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Jun 1 2015, 11:27pm
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1. For a general audience, his farewell to Bilbo was enough. As was Tauriel sobbing over Kili's body. And that blond dwarf doesn't matter anyway.
2. People complained about RotK having "too many endings" and wanted to avoid that this time.
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DainPig
Gondor
Jun 1 2015, 11:35pm
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But in the extended edition they won't avoid
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Bishop
Gondor
Jun 2 2015, 12:04am
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Why is it too much for the general audience? There's a good argument to be made that Thorin's story was developed to the same degree, if not more so, than Bilbo's.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Jun 2 2015, 1:22am
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Richard said something along those lines
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that it would have been too much. I don't think so either, but then again we haven't seen it yet. It's possible that it will be pretty long, and I've no doubt that we'll all be crying our eyes out. Maybe it really would be too much - I'm not sure I'm ready for this.
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Mooseboy018
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Jun 2 2015, 2:37am
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I don't think it's necessarily a good reason. I'm just guessing/assuming that those were some of the things being considered when they decided to cut it out.
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Bishop
Gondor
Jun 2 2015, 2:39am
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Well they most certainly had SOME reason to drop the funeral, but whether or not I agree with that reason is another story. 
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Mooseboy018
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Jun 2 2015, 2:40am
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If Fili doesn't have at least one significant dialogue scene added into the extended edition, I'm going to remain bitter for quite a long time.
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Bofur01
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Jun 2 2015, 6:52am
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You must remember that apart from RotK and AUJ, Warner Bros. put time limits on the films //
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Bombadil
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Jun 2 2015, 7:43am
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Why NOT? Sit back & Relax!.. Fully aware......
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That We get 30 to MAYBE? 40 more minutes.
Somewhere a couple of weeks ago Posters here discussed
what that could mean.
Re-Cap:
MAYBE 10 minutes of the Funeral,
MAYBE 5 minutes more of Dol Guldur,
MAYBE 5 minutes of Beorn fighting & carrying Thorin back to Erebor,
MAYBE 3 minutes of the Chariot & more Battle,
MAYBE 3 minutes more of scenes in Dale {Afrid's Death}
AND that Total is only 26 minutes there..SSOoo there could be
More the return journey ( a Christmas Time visit @ Beorn's House )
Bilbo does have a Chess piece from Beorn's?
.. & it's Springtime
when we say our Final Farewell to Gandalf...
THIS is PJ's
Final Film in MiddleEARTH,
SSOoo don't you suppose he wants it to Be his
Finest Farewell?
Bomby thinks,
he does.
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Bombadil
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Jun 2 2015, 8:04am
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OH? there.. is ONE more thing to Think about?
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It's a very relaxed atmosphere in Miramar
@Least for PJ.
James Cameron has the Studios rented for his 3 films
but PJ can go off somewhere with Jabez &
have a SWEET Time finishing, Polishing, & Refining the
Final Edit without all the Studio pressures.
He doesn't have a Crew of thousands to worry about
NOW!
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"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
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Arannir
Valinor
Jun 2 2015, 8:04am
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Didn't you love the movie at first? Sad to see that you feel unsatisfied now as well... there must be a support group 
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Bombadil
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Jun 2 2015, 8:24am
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Just NOW checked on Avatar's production...
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Joe Letteri, Head of Special Effects or something like that
@ Weta Digital said there is a LOT of preliminary work,
groundwork discussions, infastruture, & Logistics,etc..
SSOoo
it seems that shooting hasn't really started,
But
Bom guesses that the Mo-Cap stages are
Building a huge Bank of Movements that
we will see eventually.
One time to remember?
Miramar is the STATE-of-The-ART
most cutting edge film production Facilities in
The World,,,
SSOoo none of them want to produce
an Inferior product. The Least of which, is the Final CUT
of beloved HOBBIT..
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"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
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Arannir
Valinor
Jun 2 2015, 9:48am
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"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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CathrineB
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Jun 2 2015, 10:13am
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The way you describe how you feel about the film feels like how I do too and many others as well. There's things in the movie I quite love, but end is so messy it really ruins the flow of the movie. The first time I saw the movie at the premiere I had enjoyed it quite a lot, but already then there were something that didn't sit right with me. At the time my thoughts were all over the place though so after the second time I didn't get the need to see it at theater again like I thought I would.
I thought I would love and adore this movie so much I'd want to see it maaaany times. So the disappointment kind of killed it.
I know some sees it as 'creepy' for whatever reason that people wish the funeral was in the movie - which I find rather rude calling people creepy for their opinion. Maybe not for them, but for me a funeral would feel more finished and less rushed if it was in.
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Never_Underestimate_A_Dwarf
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Jun 2 2015, 10:43am
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Hopefully 5 minutes will be the maximum time given to the inevitable funeral and not 10 as mentioned elsewhere. I think 5 minutes (or less) would be sufficient to provide closure (unless they add Dain's coronation to the same scene). I really don't want to look at Fili's corpse for 10 minutes, you know?
All I want is for it to be well done. PJ missed the mark on BOTFA regarding emotional impact (beside a couple of moments here and there, but it did not come close to ROTK in that way).
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Arannir
Valinor
Jun 2 2015, 10:54am
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Imho it was a logical and unmissable scene...
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... connecting it with the Arkenstone, Bard, Beorn and Dain, of course.
Natural ending to this part of the story before it moves back to the Hobbit. Not as moving and natural, probably, as it could have been as we already have two mourning scenes (one imho over-shadowing the really important one) but still a much needed conclusion.
Not everything in a movie has to be explained. Things can be up for interpretation and guessing.
But the way the Arkenstone and some of the other storylines were introduced and used it was imho simply bad storytelling to go for lazy horn blowing scene that so obviously belongs to a scene not seen. Especially looking at some of the stuff they did take the time to show and tell.
I also do not get the RotK-thing.
First, the reviews were medicore anyway - so trying to avoid that criticism wasn't entirely successfull. Second, RotK is an universally acclaimed and highly decorated movie that made over $1 billion in 2003/04. Who exactly saw any kind of damage that its multiple endings caused? Third, one could have used the funeral as a stage to wrap up nearly all storylines except for Bilbo's. There was no need for a coronation or anything like this... the wrapping up could have been done in one single scene. With that scene it all would have still been much shorter than the ending of RotK.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Glorfindela
Valinor
Jun 2 2015, 10:58am
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I know some sees it as 'creepy' for whatever reason that people wish the funeral was in the movie - which I find rather rude calling people creepy for their opinion. Maybe not for them, but for me a funeral would feel more finished and less rushed if it was in.
For me, among other things it was essential to see the funeral at the end and I was expecting it. It could have resolved a few things (though not all plot holes), e.g. Thranduil/Arkenstone, and put a full stop to the story – and it is an integral part of Tolkien's story.
Instead what we got was an incoherent ending that really said little about what the outcome of all the events was, except that Bilbo went home.
I'm afraid that the desperation to shovel in bad references to LotR (courtesy of Legolas and Turiel) in the last two films is a large part of what did it for this trilogy. (Additionally, the increasing use of completely inappropriate, unfunny toilet humour in the interest of 'having fun' was a very annoying aspect of the films.)
I thought the final film would be my favourite of the three, but though I love certain things about it, such as the portrayal of Thorin and the Smaug sequence, I think AUJ is my favourite. I think that after a good introduction in AUJ, the Dwarves (apart from Thorin) were left in limbo. I do think Balin and Dwalin and the Irish one were good characters (and played by decent actors) and I wanted to see more of them in particular. (I wasn't too exercised about not seeing all that much of the other Dwarves, however.) Most of all, though, I would have liked the gaping plot holes to be filled, several questions to have been answered, and canon characters such as Beorn and Thranduil (both portrayed well) to have been developed in favour of all the nonsense…
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Shagrat
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Jun 2 2015, 11:09am
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I agree with you entirely about Legolas and Tauriel, but I notice you keep using this term. Aside from a possible early quip by the Master of Laketown, I'm struggling to think of anything in this film that would qualify as 'toilet humour'. Maybe I'm forgetting things. If you're using the term in relation to Alfrid's antics, you might call them goofy (or even unfunny), but not toilet humour. If anything, I would say there was less 'toilet humour' in this film than in the previous two (I'm thinking of Bilbo and the trolls and the scene with Alfrid and the bedpan especially, not to mention Kili's trousers quip).
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Glorfindela
Valinor
Jun 2 2015, 12:05pm
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I'm actually referring to all three films
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And the term 'toilet humour' is what I prefer to use as a blanket term when it comes to 'jokes' containing things such as burping, snot, Radagast's facial make-up, individuals emerging from toilets, unmentionable stuff below the Goblin King's throne, eating 'testicles', throwing food around, 'what's it got in its trousers?' and, yes, Alfrid. All PJ's favourites, no doubt, but completely inappropriate for stories based on Tolkien books, and things that do immeasurable harm to the films, in my view. I can overlook one or two such things (without liking them in the least), but there were far too many of them in the films…
I agree with you entirely about Legolas and Tauriel, but I notice you keep using this term. Aside from a possible early quip by the Master of Laketown, I'm struggling to think of anything in this film that would qualify as 'toilet humour'. Maybe I'm forgetting things. If you're using the term in relation to Alfrid's antics, you might call them goofy (or even unfunny), but not toilet humour. If anything, I would say there was less 'toilet humour' in this film than in the previous two (I'm thinking of Bilbo and the trolls and the scene with Alfrid and the bedpan especially, not to mention Kili's trousers quip).
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Shagrat
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Jun 2 2015, 12:20pm
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I don't see how it got worse after DoS. If anything, BOTFA had the least amount of toilet humour. You can't really describe Alfrid's moments as that. They're just... painfully unfunny humour.
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lionoferebor
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Jun 2 2015, 12:51pm
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Warner Bros. did not put a time limit on any of the LOTR films,
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because WB was not involved in the LOTR trilogy...that was New Line Cinemas.  Though I too have heard that a time limit was put on BOTFA (I did not hear such things in re to DOS), and it's probably not the first time a studio has put a time limit on a film...otherwise there would be a lot more films with run times of 180 mins or longer.
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It's not creepy at all
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