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Pperspective and distances over Ephel Duath and Mordor.

Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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May 21 2015, 6:58pm

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Is there anywhere and essay or something where it explains how far is Ephel Duath from the gate of minas tirith?

I would like to know if the distances are just like in the book, if the mountains would look like that big. For what we would need to know how tall are the mountains of the shadow. Because in the book it says that are about 50 miles, and I dont know if at that distance the Mordor mountains would look like that big.

Even in Gorgoroth Ii have strong concerne that barad dur looks to be behind MTDOOM but looks even the same size from wich Ii understand that the tower is bigger than the volcano

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sevilodorf
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May 23 2015, 4:08pm

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a site with distances and travel times that might have what you want..... [In reply to] Can't Post

fan based but as accurate as obsessed people can get.... there are others out there as well. Might prove a starting point anyway.


http://www.theoriginalseries.com/traveltimes.htm

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Kristin Thompson
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May 24 2015, 1:03am

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One very useful source for such questions [In reply to] Can't Post

is Karen Wynn Fonstad's THE ATLAS OF MIDDLE-EARTH, which is a widely cited book. It covers Arda as a whole, not just M-e.

The distances in the films seem almost invariably to be much shorter than in the books. For example, at the end of THE TWO TOWERS, Gandalf, Theoden, and the others can see Mt. Doom clearly from the top of the ridge at Helm's Deep. When you consider how far the series of beacons stretch between Minas Tirith and Helm's Deep, that should be impossible, whether because the distance is too great or the mountains are in between the group and Mordor.

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Otaku-sempai
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May 24 2015, 2:19pm

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Mount Doom from Helm's Deep [In reply to] Can't Post

Perhaps that is a different peak that's visible from the Hornsburg and not Mount Doom (it's been a while since I've sat down and watched any of the LotR films). Either way, perhaps we should dismiss such scenes as dramatic license and not take them too literally. The LotR movies do provide some sense of the time passing, if only by showing the changing of the seasons if we pay enough attention. The worst offender in that trilogy is FotR during the period between Bilbo leaving the Shire to the departure of Frodo and Sam from Bag End, when it isn't apparent if weeks, months or years have passed.

The Hobbit movies are far worse in respect to showing the passage of time. Everything feels rushed (while at the same time it seems to have taken weeks longer for the company to reach Lake-town).

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May 27 2015, 11:59pm

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Bomby need to Buy Karen's SECOND Edition. [In reply to] Can't Post

Mine's is from 1981..The Second has more
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May 28 2015, 3:11am

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The Atlas of Middle-earth [In reply to] Can't Post

The revised edition of Karen Wynn Fonstad's The Atlas of Middle-earth (1991) incorporates material from the first five HOME volumes, espiecially HOME IV, The Shaping of Middle-earth.

I disagree with her placement of the dwarf-city of Belegost to the south of Nogrod in the Blue Mountains. But, even ignoring that, Ms. Fonstad's location for Belegost in the Second Age is much too far south. If we agree that her original site is correct then Belegost should have been drowned at the bottom of the Gulf of Lune.

Apologies if I've been overly pedantic.

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moreorless
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Jun 26 2015, 8:49pm

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Honestly though I think they were choices well made.. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Perhaps that is a different peak that's visible from the Hornsburg and not Mount Doom (it's been a while since I've sat down and watched any of the LotR films). Either way, perhaps we should dismiss such scenes as dramatic license and not take them too literally. The LotR movies do provide some sense of the time passing, if only by showing the changing of the seasons if we pay enough attention. The worst offender in that trilogy is FotR during the period between Bilbo leaving the Shire to the departure of Frodo and Sam from Bag End, when it isn't apparent if weeks, months or years have passed.


As you say most of these scenes probably shouldn't be taken as an accurate measure of distance(given NME is sposed to be Earth so has the same curvature) so much as a bit of artistic licence. I think its qute effective most of the time as well giving us a sense of interconnection between locations that could otherwise be lacking.

As far as the start of the film goes I think it makes sense that we don't see the passage of time(although Gandalf does go to Minas Tirith which even to a non reader clearly looks distant and exotic) because dramatically the scene with Bilbo and the ring feeds directly into what follows.

That's clearly very different from the book where the tension around the Nazgul doesn't follow on directly from Bilbo giving up the wing but rather builds more slowly with the chase though the shire.

 
 

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