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Bofur01
Lorien
May 23 2015, 8:27pm
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But the orcs in Sauron's army in BotFA
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Were only 30000 strong according to WETA digital.... Nothing compared to the 200000 at Minas Tirith...
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Starling
Half-elven
May 23 2015, 8:28pm
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in all the theatres I saw the film, people laughed like mad at Alfrid.
But then we New Zealanders are terribly unsophisticated and have no idea about proper humour.
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Milieuterrien
Rohan
May 23 2015, 10:33pm
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Yep, proper humour is private property.
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...Property of Jackson-haters. You know, those who usually associate their proper-humour perception with their unerring bad-cgi perception.
The others may keep thinking that if young people laugh for one 'gross' reason the first time they see the movie, maybe further on they'll be able to laugh or cheer for other reasons. It's creative addition.
Meantime, guess that those who hates will keep on ranting about their bad-cgi perception until they get old. Their pleasure.
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Glorfindela
Valinor
May 23 2015, 10:53pm
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Perhaps they caught sight of you glowering and were cowed?
In actual fact, they wouldn't have caught sight of me since it was dark in the cinema, so they wouldn't have been 'cowed' – as you are no doubt aware. No, during the many times I saw the films in London cinemas, no one laughed at any of the gross moments, and no one cheered at the moronic Legolas excesses. As I said, the only thing I noticed was a kind of baffled, embarrassed silence – and discussions afterwards about the awfulness of such scenes. But then your love of such scenes and my disgust at them can probably be explained as differences in taste – and the fact that we keep different company.
Do you honestly mean to say that you find burping, farting, food-chucking and excreting kinds of scenes even remotely funny? If you do, then your sense of humour is completely different from mine. Moreover, despite the fact that I love much in PJ's Middle-Earth films, I do not feel the need to be an apologist for his every self-indulgence, something he has seemed to revel in increasingly in some apparently desperate need to 'have fun'. Such 'fun' is absolutely nothing to do with Tolkien and it added nothing positive to the films. It is simply awful and has a hugely detrimental effect on the films.
I'm not even sure why you are responding to my messages, since I have made my position clear several times and it is patently obvious that we will never agree on this.
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
May 24 2015, 1:30am
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Oh dear. My humour has been lost there.
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For which I both apologise and note the irony.
I found a number of things funny which you did not and, as I say, noted a number of things which, whilst not funny to me personally, did not seem to be aimed at grumpy middle aged viewers such as myself (and rightly, it seems to me, so).
I don't think, as a very general comment, po-facedness has much of a place in reflecting upon these adaptations, any more than scandalised Victortian ankle glimpsing. I suspect kids will have found funny the sort of things which kids have found funny since I was myself a child, and long before.
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AshNazg
Gondor
May 24 2015, 1:31am
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Is in a recent interview where PJ was asked what he wants to do next he said "I'd like to do a comedy, because I'm good at that" (or something similar). So either someone is laughing at this weird humour and encouraging him, or we've yet to see PJ's hidden talents as a comedian, because it's certainly not evident in his previous work.
(By the way, I haven't seen you on the boards in a long while. Hope you're well.  )
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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens
May 24 2015, 5:37am
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I'm a fan of his early work. So as much as some of the gross humor bugs me when it pops up in The Hobbit, it kind of makes me smile at the same time. It reminds me that the guy who made Meet the Feebles somehow ended up in Middle-earth.
It reminds me of Sean Astin and Elijah Wood on the Two Towers commentary during the "maggoty bread" scene.
Sean: Come on, Peter. This isn't Braindead. This is Lord of the Rings!
Elijah: I loved it.
(or something like that)
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Glorfindela
Valinor
May 24 2015, 8:47am
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Is in a recent interview where PJ was asked what he wants to do next he said "I'd like to do a comedy, because I'm good at that" (or something similar). So either someone is laughing at this weird humour and encouraging him, or we've yet to see PJ's hidden talents as a comedian, because it's certainly not evident in his previous work. (By the way, I haven't seen you on the boards in a long while. Hope you're well. )
Toilet 'humour' is definitely not my bag – as you might guess! – so I certainly wouldn't go and see any 'comedy' PJ produced.
You are right. I stayed away from this site for a few months because I was finding it increasingly irritating (for several reasons). In addition, I wanted to get a cool perspective on the films, without seeing them or discussing them for several months. I now feel I have a good overview of the things I like and dislike – the latter have been intensified, if anything.
I also have an enormous amount of work, and it is a distraction coming here frequently! I am well, though – and hope you are.
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adt100
Rohan
May 26 2015, 4:20pm
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I can understand people not liking him, but...
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to say he adds nothing at all to the films is imho completely incorrect, as many more eloquent than I have written in detail. I also find it somewhat disrespectful of PJ/Philippa/Fran and looking at JRRT in somewhat rose-tinted glasses when you look at some of the 'characters' in the book.
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Eruonen
Half-elven
May 26 2015, 5:18pm
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Yes, it appears PJ was trying to add the lessons of greed and redemption
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into the theme. Bard, seeking redemption for Girion and Alfrid, The Master, Thranduil and of course Thorin illustrate greed. Thorin gains redemption and to a lesser extent so does Thranduil. The Master and Alfrid pay the ultimate price (so we are told re Alfrid in the EE).
Killing The Master was a moment of cinematic gotcha. I too would have preferred to see him and Alfrid deal with the consequences a bit longer.
I don't discount the need for some humor interspersed within a heavy story line. It does seem Bard goes out of his way to offer redemption opportunities for Alfrid (probably foolishly given the gravity of the situation).
In the theater, his scenes generated chuckles.
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