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Kilidoescartwheels
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May 6 2015, 1:29pm
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FINALLY! Male actor complains about "demeaning" six-pack
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So here is an article regarding Aidan Turner's "Poldark" drama, actually being critical of his shirtless scenes:
http://www.independent.co.uk/...-roles-10224181.html
In the article Kit Harrington, another popular hottie has this to say:
“To always be put on a pedestal as a hunk is slightly demeaning. It really is and it’s in the same way as it is for women.”
Now, as much as I admire Aidan's buff torso I have to agree with Mr. Harrington. Things have finally gotten just as bad for male actors, always having to look super buff, as they are for women who have to stay thin, and that's probably not a good thing. I remember a scene in the second Thor movie, where he's in the subway and a woman "stumbles" and puts her hand on his chest. Yeah, it was funny but I thought, if a man tried that stunt, BAM! And he'd deserve it, too! Why then should women be able to get away with it? There's been a storm of controversy around the Black Widow character and how her portrayal is "sexist." If that is true, and we want women characters to be treated better (which was the point in the movie, IMO), then shouldn't we women be willing to do the same for men?
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Annael
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May 6 2015, 4:39pm
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is an appreciation for physical beauty (including a wide range of possible body shapes) that isn't so sexualized. Gazing without drooling, if you will - like one would at a sunset or a horse running.
I have a male friend who somehow manages to convey to women the feeling that he appreciates all of them without coming across at all in a "hey baby" or creepy way. The guy just likes women. I've sat across from him at a dinner table and watched as the women sitting next to him start to glow with an inward light just because of how he interacts with them. It's a beautiful thing. I have no idea how he does it, other than that when you talk with him, you feel you have his complete attention and that he likes everything about you.
So in that spirit, while I freely admit that I like it when Chris Hemsworth takes off his shirt in a movie, part of my enjoyment comes from knowing he's a devoted husband and father and a good actor. I gaze in appreciation of the entire person (and turn away from those who, no matter how good they look on the surface, have proven themselves to be real jerks).
But he's right, that's not what the suits want; what they want IS demeaning.
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Aragorn's Sexy Scar
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May 6 2015, 4:55pm
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Do I need a trigger warning....
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to go and see the new Avengers movie or can I just go and enjoy a good story where men are men and damsels don't mind being rescued by the hero, especially if the hero looks like Thor?
Just my opinion of course 
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Annael
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May 6 2015, 5:10pm
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if that's what you're after, I don't think this is the movie for you, because none of the women need rescuing (apart from innocent bystanders, but that includes men, women, and children, and they're rescued by both male & female Avengers).
One of my favorite scenes is a bragfest between Thor & Tony over who is accomplishing the greatest things in her career, Jane or Pepper.
People with soul can identify with another person's basic human struggle without either judgment or indifference.
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Meneldor
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May 6 2015, 8:49pm
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Now I have a keg.
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters, these see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep. -Psalm 107
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Elarie
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May 6 2015, 10:30pm
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I find it somewhat disingenuous of a professional actor who aspires to be a leading man in movies to complain about having to work out and look fit and attractive. Anyone who watches old movies can tell you that there is absolutely nothing new about male actors taking off their shirts and showing off their muscles (Douglas Fairbanks, Sr. anyone?)
Having said that, we DO live in a weird, hyper-sexualized culture, and it does get old after awhile.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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May 7 2015, 12:07am
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"That's the way it's always been" is not exactly the best argument...
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...when talking about matters of progress.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
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Elarie
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May 7 2015, 1:50am
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I don't think it's a discussion about progress
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Certain jobs come with certain responsibilities and expectations. If Mr. MacFayden wants to play leading romantic roles like Mr. Darcy, and have the fame and the paychecks that go with it, then he has to fulfill his end of the bargain. Actors are constantly altering their appearance for roles, so going to the gym in order to look a certain way for a certain role doesn't seem unreasonable. And his comment that people in the past wouldn't have 6-pack abs is just silly, as a quick survey of any art book on figure painting could show him. Really, he just sounded whiney to me, and perhaps not thrilled that a younger actor was the new hot thing.
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Annael
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May 7 2015, 2:21am
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okay, I didn't know what a "trigger warning" was
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until I read this today:
http://legalinsurrection.com/...ovids-metamorphoses/
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Elarie
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May 7 2015, 11:18am
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The lunacy just keeps on spreading. Guess I'd better run out and buy my own copies of all the classics before they're burned.
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May 7 2015, 11:57am
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There's a good article in UK's Radio Times 9-15 May
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where Matthew Macfadyen discusses this issue - he prefers being an actor to a screen hunk. Not sure if it's available online.- will check and post more on this, but grandson is just about to arrive for the afternoon!
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Brethil
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May 7 2015, 12:11pm
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Yeah. I rather agree with the poster Gullah on that site...//
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The lunacy just keeps on spreading. Guess I'd better run out and buy my own copies of all the classics before they're burned.
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May 7 2015, 2:16pm
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In cases where people experienced trauma, part of the healing process is to recognize situations that "trigger" a flashback to the trauma. I've seen it used in cases of abuse or rape, but it could apply to recovering from any traumatic experience.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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May 7 2015, 2:57pm
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In cases where people experienced trauma, part of the healing process is to recognize situations that "trigger" a flashback to the trauma. I've seen it used in cases of abuse or rape, but it could apply to recovering from any traumatic experience.
But that also sounds like something the victim (whom I have the utmost sympathy for) needs to do proactively to protect him/herself. And it makes perfect sense, because you CAN'T control your environment to the extent of expunging everything that could trigger a flashback, so better to recognize and be prepared for the possibility. But at the University it sounds like some people are attempting to do just that, and I seriously doubt their motivations are all that sincere.
But back to the original article - well I have complained about actresses that have to be scary skinny to get work - Zoe Saladana comes to mind - and I wonder, do they even get to eat? I had some hope because there are some very curvy actresses out there, like Scarlett and Sofia Vegara, who may at least be getting us away from that super skinny look, and I get what McFayden is saying. I thought he looked just fine in "Pride & Prejudice" myself - of course I think Aidan and Chris Hemsworth look fine, too, but for Chris I think it might come more easily. Aidan was joking in another interview that he's become "soft" again. Apparently that look is hard to maintain, go figure! It does seem like male actors now have to be super buff like the women have to be svelte, and for some it will be more difficult to get/maintain that look. And is the "look" more important than the acting talent? I mean, I guess that's always the question. And maybe Kit Harrington wants to be seen as an actor and not just a buff bod, perfectly understandable to me.
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Annael
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May 7 2015, 3:25pm
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and I know that one therapeutic technique involves deliberately triggering the trauma, but only to a limited extent and with a therapist right there to guide the person through it. Doing this repeatedly can help desensitize the person and/or give them techniques for managing their reactions.
I was yelled at in public on more than one occasion by someone who would inform me that by having my German shepherd with me out in public I was triggering their phobia about GSDs/big dogs/all dogs. Every time I invited them to work with that fear right then and there, as my dog, who was one of the gentlest souls ever, was safe; I'd tell her to sit or lie down & invite them to approach her at their own speed until they were as close as they cared to go, reassuring them that she would stay put. No one ever took me up on it; they wanted to make it my problem/everyone else's problem. Just another example of all the ways that people give their own power away, alas.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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May 7 2015, 3:37pm
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To be honest, big dogs that I don't know scare me, too. I've always had a bit of a fear of them, but how stupid to yell at someone who's got their dog on a leash! That's what I mean, you can't expect to NEVER run into something or someone (apparently in your case, dog-haters) that scares, makes you uncomfortable or reminds you of something traumatic. But I work at a University, and there's alway some group that wants to flex its muscle and affect policy, which is what your article makes me think of. That's what I meant when I said I doubted their motive were all that sincere, sounds more like an agenda to me.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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May 7 2015, 5:24pm
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I had such a crush on Douglas Fairbanks Sr. when I was girl
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(Not I'm not that old. But PBS was showing some of his movies and--oh my!)
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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May 7 2015, 5:32pm
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it could be that they have had experiences like mine, with people who swear their dog is sweet and kind and never misbehaves, and then the dog jumps up and puts its paws on my shoulders and barks and growls in my face. The stranger invariably scolds the dog and apologizes, but it doesn't make me trust strangers and their dogs.
I wouldn't think of yelling at someone who had a dog out in public if the dog is on a leash and can't reach me. But I've had too many encounters with dogs whose owners are sure they are under "voice control" when they're not. (My dad's neighbor is like that. She lets her dogs run around the neighborhood, and once they stopped me in my dad's driveway and wouldn't let me pass.) If I know you and your well-behaved dog, I'm fine, but if you're a stranger, I'm not going to take your word for it.
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Elarie
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May 7 2015, 8:22pm
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Yes, I had a similar experience
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The first time I saw a Rudolph Valentino movie was at a film festival that was showing "The Sheik". Looking at those old black and white photos, I had never really seen the appeal of this famous heartthrob, but what a difference on film. The guy had a million watt smile that made me sit up and say, "Yep, OK, now I get it", and the still photos just don't show the personality that comes across on screen.
Some of those old movies are pretty great, but my favorites are all from the 30's. "Dinner at Eight" is one of my top favorite old movies ever.
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Annael
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May 7 2015, 8:48pm
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I get that - although one of the phobic people worked with me for years and saw my dog a lot, and still wouldn't go anywhere near her. She also wouldn't take me up on my offer to teach her how to swim, another phobia. Some people prefer to stay stuck . . .
Personally, I'm of the "there's no bad dogs, only bad owners" persuasion. Even if my dog was off-leash (and she was voice trained), if I saw that someone approaching was nervous, I called her to me and put her on sit-stay, or put her on leash. Not that she was ever one of those dogs who ran at strangers anyway; she was actually pretty indifferent to strangers, unless she thought they were going to attack ME, in which case, she just got between me & the person, but always close to me.
Being a dog person also helps me to know when a dog is just being friendly by running at me, and when it's not.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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I had an opportunity to hold Rosie the tarantula at the Butterfly Pavilion, and I thought about it,and decided against it. I've been working on my spider phobia for years, and can rescue them from the bathtub and enjoy the garden spiders in my windows, but I'm still not up for touching one.
My nervousness around dogs isn't really a phobia, not like my spider phobia. I don't get shuddery, and I can pet them. But I don't trust dogs I don't know. I've had students with service dogs in my classes, and I have no problems with that, because those dogs are clearly very well trained.
And maybe instead of saying people prefer to stay stuck, another way of thinking of it might be that they're staying safe. A person who has been badly injured by a dog is being perfectly sensible by avoiding them. Like my students who come back from the war and have to sit with a wall behind them. I don't blame them a bit for that.
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The Grey Elf
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May 8 2015, 1:57am
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It's more than just being objectified as a sex symbol
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It's also about treating an actor (or actress) who happens to be physically attractive as if that's all they've got going for them, their actual performance being ignored. In Aidan's case, yeah, wowza does he look great with his shirt off. But it really doesn't come off nearly as much as you would think listening to critics. Plus he is a fine, dedicated actor who brings great charisma to the part of Ross Poldark. Yes, it's a sexy character but it would be just as much if Aidan never lost his shirt. (To his credit, his Poldark never once reminded me of Kili.)
So I sympathize with Kit Harrington's remark. His sex appeal is exploited at the expense of his acting abilities. Something actresses have had to contend with since forever. It's a shame that instead of treating actresses with the respect formerly reserved for actors, now actors are getting the "himbo" treatment.
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May 8 2015, 5:26am
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Anyway, if I was an angry bloke,
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with heaps of scything to do on a super hot day, of course I would take my shirt off. That's just good sense.
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The Grey Elf
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May 8 2015, 10:20am
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And to Ross' and the writer's great credit
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he hastily buttoned his shirt back on before returning to the house to greet Elizabeth. Totally exploitable opportunity for some unjustified half-naked Aidan, rejected!
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