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Kilidoescartwheels
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May 1 2015, 9:59pm
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Question for Tolkienologists: Why does Gandalf have a ring?
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Elrond is in Rivendell, and he has a ring; Galadriel is in Lorien and she has a ring (quite a powerful one!); Thranduil is in Mirkwood but Gandalf has the other Elf ring. Why is that? Is there a backstory to this, if so I'd love to hear it!
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geordie
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May 1 2015, 10:17pm
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the ring is called Narya the Great
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- it was given to Gandalf by Cirdan the shipwright on his arrival in Middle-earth. '...this is the ring of fire' said Cirdan, 'and with it you may rekindle hearts in a world that grows chill.'
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Silverlode
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May 1 2015, 11:03pm
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The Silmarillion, in the chapter "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age". It's worth a read if you want the details.
Silverlode Roads go ever ever on Under cloud and under star Yet feet that wandering have gone Turn at last to home afar. Eyes that fire and sword have seen And horror in the halls of stone Look at last on meadows green And trees and hills they long have known.
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Bracegirdle
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May 1 2015, 11:25pm
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can be found in Appendix B Tale of Years.
'Take this ring, Master,' he said 'for your labours will be heavy; but it will support you in the weariness that you have taken upon yourself.....{more}.... “Oh I wish I were an Oscar Mayer Wiener”
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Bofur01
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May 2 2015, 7:03am
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And Gil Galad originally was given both Narya and Vilya. He gave these to Círdan the shipwright and Elrond respectively, before the last alliance. Círdan gave his to Gandalf when he arrived in Middle-Earth, because he perceived that Gandalf would need it more... And boy was he right!
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xxxyyy
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May 2 2015, 1:18pm
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I hope your question is answered in the EE of BOTFA...
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because otherwise it would really make no sense. Why a non-elf has an elven Ring? If there is one thing I'd want to be in the next EE, it is just this bit of information. Nothing else.
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Elthir
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May 2 2015, 1:45pm
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You are not wrong to generally say "before the Last Alliance" but there is a matter of timing here compared to what Tolkien himself published in Appendix B. The Lord of the Rings (Appendix B) notes that the Three had been held at first by Gil-galad, Galadriel, and Círdan; and Gil-galad ultimately gave his to Elrond. Appendix B only states that in 1693 SA: the Three are hidden. In the essay titled Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn (Unfinished Tales) it was said that Celebrimbor entrusted 'them', meaning two rings, to Gil-galad, and that Gil-galad gave the Red Ring to Círdan as soon as he himself received it from Celebrimbor. On this latter point Christopher Tolkien commented: 'and this agrees with the statements in Appendix B to The Lord of the Rings and in Of The Rings Of Power, that Círdan held it from the beginning' Tolkien would also write that Gil-galad held Narya until he gave it to Círdan when he set out from Lindon in the days of the Last Alliance, but again, Christopher Tolkien notes that the conception in which Círdan receives the Ring of Fire as soon as Gil-galad had received it from Celebrimbor, at least agrees with already published text (Appendix B).
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arithmancer
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May 2 2015, 2:52pm
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that Gandalf's ring is one of the Three?
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arithmancer
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May 2 2015, 3:04pm
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...if you're more of a movie fan - the personnages discussed in the detailed and excellent answers already given above are also (very minor) characters in the films. Gil-galad was the last High King of Elves in Middle Earth - in the battle shown in the prologue of FotR, he was the leader of the Elves as Elendil was of the Men. It is not shown in the film, but he died in that battle. Here is a shot of the actor who played him: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/...88/Elf_gil-galad.jpg Cirdan is the leader of the Elves of the Grey Havens, which is the place from which Bilbo, Frodo, and Gandalf depart for the West in the end of RotK. In this shot he is standing behind Celeborn and Galadriel: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/...5237f56c814c2054.jpg
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Rohan
May 2 2015, 6:18pm
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From the movies, we only know that Galadriel has one Ring.
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but we know that PJ and Co. gave Elrond and Gandalf the other two, like in the books. If they say nothing, there would be no continuity mistake... but boy... what a missed opportunity. Especially in the light of what they did, or should I say, what they did not do with the Three Rings in LOTR. They developed extremely well the story of one of the Seven, why not giving us more about the Three. My fear is that we'll only get something about Nenya... and that would be sad. I hope I'm wrong.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 2 2015, 7:39pm
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Answered in 'LotR' bonus features?
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Elrond is in Rivendell, and he has a ring; Galadriel is in Lorien and she has a ring (quite a powerful one!); Thranduil is in Mirkwood but Gandalf has the other Elf ring. Why is that? Is there a backstory to this, if so I'd love to hear it! In film terms, your question might be answered in the bonus features on one of the LotR movies, but I think that previous posters have probably given you plenty of information above from Tolkien's canon.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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