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Hobbity Hobbit
Lorien
May 1 2015, 8:38pm
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What do you guys want to see in a fantasy world?
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The title explains it all...
I for one, would like to see one that is both realistic but still fantasy, like JRR Tolkien's humanoids. I really like fantasy, but some creatures are a little bit hard to picture, where Tolkien's are much more easier.
I'd also like to see new mounts, especially because of the dwarven mounts in BotFA and also I want to see more Lake Cities! (I've always liked Laketown)
And also, I'd like to see some stories that are serious (like JRR Tolkien's again  ), but not as gritty and bloody as GOT. Gore is alright, but I'm not a big fan of thinking about gore. I'm fine with it, but I'd rather have less then what most stories have now. Its one of the things I like about LOTR, I kind of feel like the world could be darker or lighter, depending on what mind it is in. Whereas other books are very dark or light.
"As the snowflakes cover my fallen brothers,
I will say this last goodbye."
(This post was edited by Hobbity Hobbit on May 1 2015, 8:40pm)
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Nomad
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May 1 2015, 11:55pm
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Adventure, excitement and really wild things! //
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Elarie
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May 2 2015, 12:08am
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Not so much what I want to see, but rather how it is seen
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I think the filming style is what ultimately makes or breaks a "fantasy" world. LOTR and The Hobbit are prime examples of creating a world that feels real, and yet not quite the same as our own everyday world. In a way, it's all about attitude, but that involves all the decisions that go into the cinematography, editing, directing, lighting and so on in order to convince the audience that they are seeing something that is not "normal".
For example, I saw "Paddington" the other day and I thought it was a very successful fantasy - as though there was another "hidden" London inside the real London. On the other hand, I found "Cinderella" to be completely non-fairy tale, simply because of the way it was filmed and acted. It was no different than watching any other historical costume drama set in a real time and place (in spite of the fairy godmother).
I think it takes a certain kind of director to put magic on film and make it visible to the audience.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 2 2015, 11:56am
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Generally, I feel that the day-to-day elements of a fantasy setting should be treated more-or-less realistically. People live, love, struggle and die just as they do in the real world. Even magic should have some rules and limits depending on what is appropriate for the story being told.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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glor
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May 7 2015, 12:56am
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This for me leads into that kind of ripped from the history books, historical based fantasy, that try's to hard to be real at the expense of the otherness that good fantasy and for that matter sci-fi should have.
As someone with some academic social anthropology education human beings from different cultures do not express or experience, love, loss or family in the same way, a lot of what we consider universal human traits are in fact post Enlightenment westerncentric constructs. What are universal is the human need for rules, taboos and systems of exchange that maintain societies and allow us to understand and become part of the group and our place within it.
Tolkien understood that, it is why Elves loved and experience family differently to dwarves and men, yet between and within each race there are taboos, limits and systems of exchange.
For me, there is a difference between fantasy that creates a realistic and believable world by having rules and limits, that create a structure and the kind of fantasy that's ripped from history and based on our own value systems. That kind of fantasy is unrealistic for me, it either comes across as a bad Shakespeare copy or a soap opera with swords, dragons and funny names, at worse it manages to be both .
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Otaku-sempai
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May 7 2015, 1:20pm
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The fantasy novels of David and Leigh Eddings might be a good example of over-doing reality a bit. Their characters are very relatable, but perhaps at times at the cost of seeming to be too contemporary in their speech and relationships. Not that this is so in every case. When the character Sparhawk, in The Elenium, speaks of making war on an aggressive fanatical people until the remainder crawl into holes and hide for a couple of generations, I'm not entirely sure that I disagree with his sentiment.
The societal mores and attitudes in any fantasy setting should certainly be appropriate to the cultures presented--adjusted to the perceived reality and effects of magic within that setting. I would not think of disagreeing with that point.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Rohan
May 8 2015, 12:10am
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I want to feel like I could actually go to that location! I don't want the environments to be cooked up on a computer...
You just need to take a great (weird looking) earth environment and insert your fantasy race and you are good to go!!
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glor
Rohan
May 8 2015, 4:25am
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Are normal everyday ones for others. Depends whee you live and where you travel.
It's one of my (many) GOT issues; the obvious (if you are European) locations that have been used so many times by films and TV before the series was ever commissioned.
I have postcards and family holiday snaps going back to the 1970s that feature many of the locations used in the HBO series including, some lovely holidays pics of my late grandparents standing in front of most of the Maltese locations used in GOT!
Inserting a fantasy race into real locations that I or anyone else recognises looks like actors in funny costumes, and completely destroys any sense of pulling me into another world, an imagined fantasy place.
historical drama should look real, fantasy should not, what it should have is integrity and substance, which is not necessarily the same thing as real
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glor
Rohan
May 8 2015, 4:41am
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I was trying to define and distinguish the different meanings that real has when applied to fantasy. It is the fact that the term real can mean different things to different people within the context of the subject of fantasy and is probably behind many of the more fractured debates surrounding The Hobbit films and CGI.
I am someone that gets pulled into a world because of the acting, the way the world is structured and written, not the way it looks. Of course a film that is aesthetically pleasing can be nice to watch but pointless if the actors in it, make a bad daytime soap look like Oscar material.
Let's face it prior to LOTR, the comic or hammy scene chewing acting was what gave fantasy on scree it's terrible reputation. PJ made a very firm decision, when he commenced his first Middle earth trilogy to cast actors who could portray believable characters and races hence, his use of forced perspective, size doubles and CGI in order to achieve that.
I am digressing a little, real in fantasy often equates to modern modes of speech and behaviour that are easy to relate to, too easy, I want the other, something unfamiliar, which is ultimately, what fantasy is all about
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