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dormouse
Half-elven


Apr 29 2015, 8:00am

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Because that's pretty much how Tolkien describes it... [In reply to] Can't Post

Merry stabs the Witchking from behind and the blade 'shearing through the black mantle and passing up behind the hauberk had pierced the sinew behind his mighty knee.'

So, he has sinews and knees - he has a body.

But when Eowyn 'drove her sword between crown and mantle' the crown falls away and

'But lo! the mantle and hauberk were empty. Shapeless they new lay on the ground, torn and tumbled; and a cry went up into the shuddering air, and faded to a shrill wailing....'

So, he has no body.

Remember that we're talking here about something that has no everyday counterpart. Nothing you can go away and do a lab test on. This is a man whose life has been extend by magic until everything that he was has faded. The body is preserved by magic; Merry's sword, because it was forged in the North kingdom by the men who fought the Witchking, was able to cut through the magic, 'cleaving the undead flesh, breaking the spell that knit his unseen sinews to his will.'

That's why.



ThorinsNemesis
Lorien


Apr 29 2015, 8:31am

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Undead and their tombs [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow, that was a bit confusing at first, but thanks for the explanation Smile Talking about the Witchking, what are your theories on the location of the High Fells?



Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Apr 29 2015, 12:38pm

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It is debatable. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Actually, if they have bodies, why in LOTR return of the king when eowyn kills the Witchking he turns to metal scrap?

Saruman had a physical body, but when he was killed by Wormtongue it dissolved and turned to smoke. I just gave my opinion about the Ringwraiths; it may or may not be so. Even in dormouse's example, even after he said that there was no body, he states that magic may be preserving the Nazgul's physical form until that magic is destroyed.

"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Apr 29 2015, 12:43pm)


marary
Lorien

Apr 29 2015, 1:47pm

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Kinda like what happened to Sauron's fortress in Mordor [In reply to] Can't Post

It was largely preserved by his dark magic. When it collapsed at the end, it was because the magic was no longer holding it together. The natural forces of nature all came up rather suddenly.

(Unless I'm making that up. I may be making that up, but I'm pretty sure? Can anyone be awesome and help me confirm this?)

I very much like the idea of this applying to corporeal bodies as an explanation for the Witch King's and Saruman's demise.


ThorinsNemesis
Lorien


Apr 29 2015, 2:54pm

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Good thoughts [In reply to] Can't Post

These are both very good theories on why the Witchking lost his body in Return of the King. At least the best I have heard for now Smile



Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Apr 29 2015, 5:02pm

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Not sure... [In reply to] Can't Post

...if you know (or care) but Smaug actually says; ''spread to every corner of the land''.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


ThorinsNemesis
Lorien


Apr 29 2015, 5:22pm

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Lol [In reply to] Can't Post

Forgot that, but thnx for telling me Laugh


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