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**The Fellowship of the Ring Discussion, "A Journey in the Dark," part 1
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noWizardme
Half-elven


May 4 2015, 2:28pm

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Boromir, of all people, was on the right track [In reply to] Can't Post

If only he'd said "How I hate this meloncholy place" instead of "How I hate this foul pool".

It would have served Gandalf right, I think...

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"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"

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noWizardme
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May 4 2015, 2:47pm

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A thread with 100 replies! Oh, I mean 101... // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"

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squire
Half-elven


May 4 2015, 6:24pm

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I like your point about the security in the word "mellon". [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf mocks it, like Gee they were so trusting in those days. And I always agreed - what kind of password is that.

But as you say, to enter you had to be able to speak Elvish! That kind of eliminates Orcs and general baddies, doesn't it?



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noWizardme
Half-elven


May 4 2015, 8:16pm

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In fact, I've just realised: the person wanting to enter not only has to be able to speak elvish, they have to be able to read it too [In reply to] Can't Post

That might in itself be a security precaution, if literacy rates were low.

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"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"

This year LOTR turns 60. The following image is my LOTR 60th anniversary party footer! You can get yours here: http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=762154#762154


CuriousG
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May 4 2015, 9:00pm

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How do we know [In reply to] Can't Post

that back in the heyday, there wasn't an enterprising vendor with a little stand next to the doors with a sign that said, "Guide to reading Elvish/Dwarvish door inscriptions including pronunciation key--5 silver coins"? There's always someone looking for an angle in these situatinos.

Which isn't too far-fetched. Remember the old guy by the Paths of the Dead who sat there forever just to say the door was shut? They must have been related.


sador
Half-elven


May 5 2015, 2:39am

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According to Gandalf [In reply to] Can't Post

Back in the heyday the doors were open, and porters sat there. Apart of collecting tolls and helping lift stuff up the stairs, they probably sold all kind of stuff - from tourist guides to fake truesilver jewellery.

Which brings to mind Tolkien's comment about Dori, Nori and Ori being of Durin's folk but not of the royal line, while the three B's were not, but descended from the dwarves of Moria.
And also Dori's words to Nori, when asked to fetch Bilbo up the tree: "what do you think I am? a porter?" - he wasn't just grumpy, he was pointing out that they brought Bofur all the way just for this kind of job.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


May 5 2015, 5:13am

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Dwarves of Moria and the Blue Mountains. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Which brings to mind Tolkien's comment about Dori, Nori and Ori being of Durin's folk but not of the royal line, while the three B's were not, but descended from the dwarves of Moria.


Wasn't Moria founded by the Dwarves of Durin's Line? I would think that Bofur, Bifur and Bombur would be descended from the Dwarves who first built Nogrod and Belegost who came to Moria early in the Second Age after the lands of Belariand were swallowed by the ocean.

"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock


Modtheow
Lorien


May 5 2015, 2:51pm

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writing via drawing [In reply to] Can't Post

It does seem that the development of architectures is what Tolkien mostly needed to work out in sketches. I was going to say that even though he painted landscapes, he didn't seem to need to do that in composing LotR, but when I think of the places he drew, like Cirith Ungol, Dunharrow, Minas Tirith, they are all placed in a landscape that explains where they are, how to get to them. But he doesn't seem to need to draw a landscape on its own, unless I'm forgetting something? He drew the mountain pass to Cirith Ungol, if I'm remembering correctly, but I suppose that was part of the maps and diagrams that he sketched to figure out how to get his characters from Point A to Point B. What else did he need to draw? Maps to plot the route. Inscriptions and his invented scripts. Definitely not people.

I especially like it when there's an elaborate drawing that takes over the page of writing, as in the sketch of the Tower of K(C)irith Ungol.

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