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Súleth
The Shire


Apr 18 2015, 5:13pm

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I think it has already been speculated on Kíli saying something (or at least his attempt to say something) just before he died.

In theaters, I didn't catch it. But whatever he said it hadn't been dubbed anyway. Not in the German version, that is. So, I guess there aren't any captions on the DVD/Blu-ray for this particular scene either.

As BOTFA is finally available on Digital HD here I could watch that scene quite a few times. The music is playing relatively loud, so I'm still having problems. However, now I seem to make out "I'm sorry." But maybe that's just me. And my mind craving to solve this riddle.

Have any of you given this some thought as well? Maybe your ears are sharper than mine. Wink

And - supposed that my mind's not just playing games with me - what do you think about these last words? What does he mean by it? Is he only addressing Tauriel?

Sure, Kíli is looking in her direction. But I like to think that his thoughts are also with his family. Like ... he's sorry he won't be returning to his mother, he's sorry he didn't protect Fíli, he's sorry he might have failed Thorin ... and he's sorry he cannot protect Tauriel either.

IMO these words would make much sense and they would give the scene so much more depth.

What do you think?


"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."


marary
Lorien

Apr 18 2015, 5:42pm

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He doesn't say anything [In reply to] Can't Post

But it looks like he's trying to. I think having a mace through your lung might make it a bit difficult to get the words out.

Anyway, there's nothing there to hear.

He might be telling Tauriel to run, which would be fitting, as those were Fili's last words, too.

Maybe he's saying "it's just a flesh wound, I'll walk it off."


CathrineB
Rohan


Apr 18 2015, 6:13pm

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Many seem to think it's 'I love you' -_- Which wouldn't be impressive at all. His actual last spoken word is 'Tauriel' though. Ugh again. Gosh I don't know. I just really hate how they pulled him away from his family in every sense. I saw a post on tumblr once where one was jokingly writing something like "If Kili dies with Tauriel and not Fili I will burn al Hobbit merch I have" and then update on that was of a huge fire because obviously that's what happened Frown Sly


Adrianna
Lorien


Apr 18 2015, 8:33pm

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I thought the same thing about him saying I Love You but I don't know. It doesn't seem like it. I'm waiting for the EE to come out. I have not bought the ones that are out now. It had to be something significant I would think.

"I did free him. I freed his wretched head from his miserable shoulders."


CathrineB
Rohan


Apr 18 2015, 8:55pm

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Maybe he tries to tell Tauriel... [In reply to] Can't Post

"Don't just sit there!!"

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Apr 18 2015, 8:58pm

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I think having a mace through your lung might make it a bit difficult to get the words out.


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Adrianna
Lorien


Apr 18 2015, 9:00pm

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He probably did. I mean I know she just got the wind knocked out of her but I still think she could have saved him. I mean that scene showing him and then her seemed to long for her not to do something.


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"I did free him. I freed his wretched head from his miserable shoulders."

(This post was edited by Adrianna on Apr 18 2015, 9:02pm)


Starling
Half-elven


Apr 18 2015, 9:34pm

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It was in slow-mo, so even if she had run her very, very fastest, she still would never have got there. Laugh


Avandel
Half-elven


Apr 19 2015, 12:43am

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Self-embargoed as I was - and I really knew little to nothing - I will always, always, be profoundly grateful for the heavily filtered warning I got via e-mail. Unimpressed

Weeks and weeks of dreading the fate of the Durins, but re wise folks on TORn and learning about Tolkien's influences and the Norse mentality and the Durins "would have such an end, it would be worthy of remembrance." It would be terrible and epic and worthy of song. I would be gutted, but proud of my favorites.Cool

Er. "And I said to myself then, as I more or less indifferently watched as one who I had adored through 3 movies slipped away (without even seeming to have been THAT worked up over the loss of his beloved BROTHER) that now you know. There are things worse than canon. Things worse than fighting not to cry in a public movie theater. There's NOT CARING because by that point things are so derailed from what you were expecting, the only thing you can do is stare in stupefaction."Unimpressed


marary
Lorien

Apr 19 2015, 6:44am

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He probably did. I mean I know she just got the wind knocked out of her but I still think she could have saved him. I mean that scene showing him and then her seemed to long for her not to do something.


If you watch the scene again, Tauriel isn't just sitting there waiting for Bolg to kill Kili.

She tries to grab his mace. Already, she's lost a lot of strength from her earlier beat-down. Then Bolg throws her off. She rolls, almost immediately after she looks up, Bolg kills Kili.

Sometimes people made it sound like she was lounging on a pool chair sipping a margarita while Kili died...


CathrineB
Rohan


Apr 19 2015, 7:57am

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He probably did. I mean I know she just got the wind knocked out of her but I still think she could have saved him. I mean that scene showing him and then her seemed to long for her not to do something.


If you watch the scene again, Tauriel isn't just sitting there waiting for Bolg to kill Kili.

She tries to grab his mace. Already, she's lost a lot of strength from her earlier beat-down. Then Bolg throws her off. She rolls, almost immediately after she looks up, Bolg kills Kili.

Sometimes people made it sound like she was lounging on a pool chair sipping a margarita while Kili died...


Oh I know that. I personally just joke about it because of the slow mo (and Kili's already stabbed when he tries to say something so yeah. M'just joking really). The death itself could have been at least a little better if they had dropped the slow mo they seem to love so much.


marary
Lorien

Apr 19 2015, 8:02am

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I don't mind the scene, but if I could change the editing, it would be a little less slo-mo and cut out the part where Tauriel sort of gasps out and seemingly reaches out her hand-- I remember thinking "ok, that was just cheesy". That was the part where it dragged out too long.

After that it gets better: I actually quite enjoyed Tauriel transitioning into a rather Kili-esque rage-face to throw Bolg of a ledge.


Smaug the iron
Gondor

Apr 19 2015, 8:08am

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Try to speed it up. [In reply to] Can't Post

The death itself could have been at least a little better if they had dropped the slow mo they seem to love so much.

Go to youtube and search for kili´s death and speed it up and see if you like it.


Adrianna
Lorien


Apr 19 2015, 9:35am

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I'm not beating up on Tauriel and I'm not saying she didn't wait or try to save Kili. I just wish the scene could have been done alot better also.
Or the time between the two scenes wouldn't have been so slow.

Yeah speeding the scenes up might help.

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"I did free him. I freed his wretched head from his miserable shoulders."


Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor


Apr 19 2015, 3:06pm

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Self-embargoed as I was - and I really knew little to nothing - I will always, always, be profoundly grateful for the heavily filtered warning I got via e-mail. Unimpressed

Weeks and weeks of dreading the fate of the Durins, but re wise folks on TORn and learning about Tolkien's influences and the Norse mentality and the Durins "would have such an end, it would be worthy of remembrance." It would be terrible and epic and worthy of song. I would be gutted, but proud of my favorites.Cool

Er. "And I said to myself then, as I more or less indifferently watched as one who I had adored through 3 movies slipped away (without even seeming to have been THAT worked up over the loss of his beloved BROTHER) that now you know. There are things worse than canon. Things worse than fighting not to cry in a public movie theater. There's NOT CARING because by that point things are so derailed from what you were expecting, the only thing you can do is stare in stupefaction."Unimpressed


Well yeah he slipped from the "avenge Fili rage" to trying to save Tauriel, but that was her fault for getting stomped so badly. Go check out that Gandalf in Ravenhill cartoon on Fan Art - she was such a bad ass, what happened? Oh well, she had saved Kili twice, I guess he felt like he owed her one.

Why yes, I DO look like Anna Friel!


Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor


Apr 19 2015, 3:15pm

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I thought he was trying to say something [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought it was whatever that word was he said at the lake shore, something like "Amralamane," or as some put it "I'm proudly made"; well I doubt he actually said that but it sounded like it.



Why yes, I DO look like Anna Friel!


marary
Lorien

Apr 19 2015, 3:27pm

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I don't know if you noticed this... [In reply to] Can't Post

... but all I'm seeing there is Kili striking a pose, followed by the words "Why yes, I do look like Anna Friel", and it's sorta making my day.


marary
Lorien

Apr 19 2015, 3:30pm

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Well yeah he slipped from the "avenge Fili rage" to trying to save Tauriel, but that was her fault for getting stomped so badly. Go check out that Gandalf in Ravenhill cartoon on Fan Art - she was such a bad ass, what happened? Oh well, she had saved Kili twice, I guess he felt like he owed her one.


Kili, you had once chance to not be a damsel in distress for once, and you mucked it up! Arg.

Though I don't think Tauriel stopped being a badass just because she lost to Bolg. Even after having the wind knocked out of her, she does that awesome last stand thing and drags him over a ledge. Even when she's getting beat down, she's still getting in a few palpable hits and she displays her warrior grit to the very end.

And remember, this is BOLG. Legolas actually lost his first fight with Bolg (and got a bloody nose), and he's undoubtedly a better warrior than Tauriel. Kili and Fili both lost their fights in the end. Are they any less badass? To what standard are we holding Tauriel anyway? Cool


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Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor


Apr 19 2015, 5:54pm

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... but all I'm seeing there is Kili striking a pose, followed by the words "Why yes, I do look like Anna Friel", and it's sorta making my day.


Though I don't think Anna Friel looks THAT good!

Why yes, I DO look like Anna Friel!


Bofur01
Lorien


Apr 19 2015, 6:28pm

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It's "Amrâlimê" [In reply to] Can't Post

Or "My love"


Súleth
The Shire


Apr 19 2015, 10:10pm

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"I love you" was my first thought as well [In reply to] Can't Post

... and I wasn't happy about that at all. It would be the same with "Amrâlimê". IMO, it just wouldn't feel like something Kíli would say in that ... situation. I don't know.

But I guess we'll never know what Kíli said. Or if he said anything at all, for that matter.



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I saw a post on tumblr once where one was jokingly writing something like "If Kili dies with Tauriel and not Fili I will burn al Hobbit merch I have" and then update on that was of a huge fire because obviously that's what happened Frown Sly


I saw this, too! And, well, it was consistent (is that the right term?). I admire that a bit. Sly Wink


"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."


Riven Delve
Tol Eressea


Apr 19 2015, 11:16pm

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I've tried to figure this out too, reading Kili's lips [In reply to] Can't Post

but unfortunately it's hard for me to tell when he's repeating himself, or starting something new.


My guesses have been:


"Amralime"


"Don't tell Mom what I did with the stone" Wink


"I l- l- l- lo- I lov-"


"What are you waiting for? Kick his groin again!" Tongue


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Avandel
Half-elven


Apr 20 2015, 3:57pm

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.....not that bad.....


I think I shouldn't have said anythingUnsure, BECAUSE something someone PM'd to me re a comment someone else made that someoneCoolCrazy had grown weary of always feeling on the the defensive re Kili? Tauriel and so....

while on the one hand, TORn allows all to express respectful opinions, that thought did make me feel kinda bad and I don't have any answers. Because TORn IMO is very well-run and folks should feel "safe".Unsure

And so, to back-pedal a bit, CoolAngelicCool and be more positiveCool - well, on a large scale, I'm NEVER gonna like Kili dying for Tauriel for reasons that were stated in earlier posts.

But the original post was about Kili's last words - so if I take things at face value, for me I guess it doesn't matter. At face value, for me, how things actually played out - well, for me, that's a whole can of big, juicy, worms *sigh*. Because across the board IMO from Thranduil to Thorin to Tauriel to Fili to Kili, as experienced fighters, logical questions could be asked, I think.Unimpressed

But well, OK, for me, I don't have a problem with Tauriel getting beat down, and defended her on an earlier thread re that regard - re the fight choreography between her and Bolg, frame by frame, it's pretty good. Elf or not, watching BOFA and stopping frames here and there, plenty of elves are being killed at the hands of orcs.

*Sniff* Thorin has gotten something of the same rash of *&^^%$* at timesUnimpressed - in fact, as far as I can tell in films, anyone who doesn't win a fight in any film gets SOME hammering, like a sports team or something. Even if your opponent is 3x your size and built like a rhino and also an experienced fighter.

I've got more of an issue with Tauriel hollering for Kili and so Bolg takes her by surprise (being a woodland elf and so on) and Kili not jumping and going for Bolg's head, sword held straight down. Thorin comes off his ram like that, and we see the same move of sorts with Legolas.

But - the filmmakers had to do SOMETHING to have events flow *shrug* and whatever issues I have, BOFA is a cohesive story with terrific and original fight choreography.Heart

LOL so now I am gonna *awkward slide* out of this thread and work more on remembering all the stuff I love about my favorite films.CoolCoolCool And go have a nice swim in the River, too.WinkLaugh


marary
Lorien

Apr 21 2015, 7:13am

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Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor


Apr 21 2015, 1:49pm

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I always like chatting with you, we have so much in common - like an obsession with a certain King Under the MountainEvilHeart Besides, I was just teasing. I thought you were being sarcastic and a little OTT, so I was trying to reply in kind. And I'm happy to join you in the river, in fact I've nearly finished my first ever fanvid, where I demonstrate how the heirs of Durin actually survived! It will hopefully be up on YouTube later this week. I'm also working on a second video of Thorin's entire final fight with Azog, starting with Azog charging out of that doorway. You're right, the fight choreography is incredible. I'm just cutting out the cutaways to Kili/Tauriel and Legolas/Bolg, (although Leggy is still in there a little, can't be helped, LOL!), so that I can stay focused on his #Majestic fighting skills!



Actually, I think this is one of yours - you always give us such WONDERFUL pics!!!

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