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Breaking of the Fellowship part 2

Milady
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Apr 1 2008, 1:55am


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Boromir asserts that the strength and truth of Men has been protecting Frodo for longer than he knows, a fact which Frodo does not dispute. Then Frodo asks Boromir what would happen if, theoretically, Gondor should fail:

“The walls of Minas Tirith may be strong, but they are not strong enough. If they fail, what then?”
“We shall fail in battle valiantly. Yet there is still hope that they will not fail.”

A. Here Boromir dodges the question. He’s thinking about it in a warrior’s terms—of course it is any soldier’s dream to fall valiantly—but in the grand scheme of things, he gives no real answer. Why?

Boromir now goes so far as to ask to see the Ring, and Frodo catches a ‘strange gleam’ in his eyes. When refused, Boromir acts as if he doesn’t care, and asks why everyone had only ever considered the Ring’s evil uses. “…you seem ever to think only of its power in the hands of the Enemy: of its evil uses not of its good.”

B. Does the Ring even have good uses? What are they? Is the only reason everyone assumes it’s bad because it corrupts the user, or could it be used for good if the bearer was not corrupted?

When Frodo asks Boromir if he’d been listening to anything at the Council, Boromir gets up and starts telling Frodo how much he doubts the overall wisdom of Gandalf, Elrond and all the other elves. Perhaps they are frightened. At this point Boromir says something I found very interesting: “True-hearted Men, they will not be corrupted.”

C. Why doesn’t Boromir realize that he himself is being corrupted at this very moment? Do people under the power of the Ring know that it is the Ring’s influence?

Boromir keeps ranting at Frodo, saying how in this time of trouble they should be using the Enemy’s power against him. It is madness not to, he says. Now he says something else interesting: “What could not Aragorn do? Or if he refuses, why not Boromir?”

D. Is Boromir trying to get on Frodo’s good side by mentioning Aragorn because he knows Frodo trusts Aragorn? Or is Boromir at this stage in the Quest genuinely accepting Aragorn as a leader?

Now the text says he starts to ignore Frodo, and speaks of plans for “…walls and weapons, and of the mustering of men; and he drew plans for great alliances and glorious victories to be; and he cast down Mordor, and became himself a mighty king, benevolent and wise.” He says that he doesn’t want to destroy it, but he would agree that they should—if there was any chance of it.

Boromir here calls Frodo a Halfling walking blindly into Mordor, and then turns to talk to Frodo once more with a friendly face. When Frodo announces that he has made a decision, Boromir acts as if he has convinced Frodo to come to Gondor with him.

E. He has just about insulted most of the people Frodo looks up to, and Frodo himself. Why does he think he just encouraged Frodo to trust him?

Has anyone ever wondered what would have happened if Smaug had ate Bilbo, and therefore the ring? It would be interesting to see Sauron send orcs to go diving for the Ring.

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Breaking of the Fellowship part 2 Milady Send a private message to Milady Apr 1 2008, 1:55am
    This is your brain on ringlust. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 1 2008, 1:49pm
        Morphine in WWI Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 1 2008, 4:58pm
            Tolkien was not wounded in the Great War. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 22 2009, 8:56am
                One reference, but not the main one. Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Mar 22 2009, 10:06pm
                    Thanks for the citation! Very interesting. // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 23 2009, 5:26pm
    .sthguohT Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 1 2008, 4:12pm
        Yes, Boromir’s arguments N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 22 2009, 8:57am
            Tolkien doesn't want Boromir Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 22 2009, 9:54am
    Boromir Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 1 2008, 5:36pm
        Nice analysis! // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 22 2009, 8:58am
    realizing the corruption Menelwyn Send a private message to Menelwyn Apr 1 2008, 11:38pm
    Boromir Does Have The Answer Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Apr 2 2008, 3:12pm
    Going over the top sador Send a private message to sador Apr 2 2008, 9:21pm
    Reply ArathornJax Send a private message to ArathornJax Apr 3 2008, 5:49am
        Bilbo and the Ring Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 3 2008, 4:55pm
            Good one! sador Send a private message to sador Apr 4 2008, 7:40am
                You made my day! Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 4 2008, 5:38pm
            Hilarious! Milady Send a private message to Milady Apr 5 2008, 12:44am
            Tolkien loved reworking his stories Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 5 2008, 3:33pm
                A couple of thoughts FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 5 2008, 4:42pm
                    Thoughts about your thoughts. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 5 2008, 6:28pm
                        wow- Laerasëa Send a private message to Laerasëa Apr 5 2008, 6:36pm
                            I've seen many similar Tiffany windows. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 5 2008, 7:01pm
                                thank you thank you!! // Laerasëa Send a private message to Laerasëa Apr 5 2008, 7:06pm
                        I feel the same FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 5 2008, 8:38pm
                            The hobbits change from Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 5 2008, 10:14pm
                                Hobbit Pettiness Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 6 2008, 3:39am
                                    Tolkien did love hobbits. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 7 2008, 1:18pm
                                        How delightful! Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 7 2008, 3:18pm
                                        The moral of the story? Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Apr 7 2008, 4:25pm
                                            Treat dragons -- and fires -- with respect and imagination. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 7 2008, 7:47pm
                                Our different perceptions FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 6 2008, 8:20am
                                    But what did Tolkien have in mind? Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 7 2008, 1:32pm
                                        No, it's not a game FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 7 2008, 2:28pm
                                            Philologist's perspective Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 7 2008, 3:30pm
                                                That's the pleasant game. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 7 2008, 8:05pm
                                            It's not a question Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 7 2008, 7:23pm
                                                "Feigned history" doesn't imply a game to me FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 7 2008, 8:50pm
                                                    You say tomato, I say tomahto. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 7 2008, 9:29pm
                                                        I agree. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Apr 7 2008, 9:49pm
                                                            There is some discussion Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 8 2008, 2:12pm
                                                                Correct me if I'm wrong, Canto Send a private message to Canto Apr 8 2008, 2:47pm
                                                                    Yes, but N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Apr 8 2008, 4:10pm
                                                                    I was afraid of that. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 8 2008, 7:11pm
                                                                        From my own experience Canto Send a private message to Canto Apr 8 2008, 7:37pm
                                                                            Do first time Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 8 2008, 7:45pm
                                                                        From the text FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 8 2008, 8:45pm
                                                                            Isn't that the final chapter? Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 8 2008, 9:03pm
                                                                                It is. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Apr 8 2008, 9:21pm
                                                                            Didn't notice you'd said... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 8 2008, 9:09pm
                                                                                Maybe. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 8 2008, 9:49pm
                                                                                    Just to mention in passing sador Send a private message to sador Apr 8 2008, 10:08pm
                                                                                    While we can never be sure Canto Send a private message to Canto Apr 8 2008, 10:52pm
                                                                                        Fictional histories or memoirs are quite common. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 9 2008, 1:06am
                                                                                    Avoiding a Spoiler Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 9 2008, 2:39am
                                                                                        Okay, then. Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 9 2008, 9:31am
                                                                                            spoilers versus afterthoughts. Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 9 2008, 3:54pm
                                                                                    Hidden depths FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 9 2008, 5:19pm
                                                        I say Solanum lycopersicon Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Apr 8 2008, 4:58am
                                                        Sorry FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 8 2008, 9:01am
                                    Frodo’s perspective? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 22 2009, 9:00am
                                Sam returns after Frodo N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 22 2009, 8:58am
                                    How can that be? Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 22 2009, 10:00am
                        I am astonished! sador Send a private message to sador Apr 5 2008, 9:08pm
                            I did write the E of A about Bob Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 5 2008, 9:44pm
                                Bob - and Bilbo's marriage dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Apr 7 2008, 12:36am
                                    Losing oneself Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Apr 7 2008, 1:04am
                                        That brings to mind dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Apr 8 2008, 9:03pm
                        Lovely window, by the way FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 5 2008, 10:00pm
                            Yes, the sun comes later Curious Send a private message to Curious Apr 5 2008, 10:18pm
                                And even the phial FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Apr 6 2008, 7:51am
    The Ring has one good use, Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Apr 3 2008, 11:21pm

 
 
 

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